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Air carrier medium large transport unable to get a WX deviation made a track change to avoid thunderstorm activity. An unsolicited comment from ARTCC upset the reporter.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 187774 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199108 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : stl |
| State Reference | MO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : j35 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 3400 |
| ASRS Report | 187774 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Our aircraft was on J35 en route to stl at FL370 and visually idented a thunderstorm (level 5) overhead stl. Tops were well above our altitude (WX radar on board confirmed level 5 thunderstorm). We initially requested a deviation to the left approximately 60 mi from stl and center only authorized a 10 degree deviation left. Closer to stl we determined we needed a deviation further left and made requests to center at least 5 times for a further left deviation. Center did not respond to any of the requests to avoid thunderstorm penetration, we had to take it upon ourselves to deviation left. After the deviation, center finally called us back and stated, 'I'm sure glad you didn't hit that other aircraft'. We had TCASII on board and operational and it did not at any time during the maneuver show any aircraft within 10 mi of us. The controller's remarks were totally uncalled for and very unprofessional. If he had responded to our requests initially, this incident would not have happened.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG UNABLE TO GET A WX DEV MADE A TRACK CHANGE TO AVOID TSTM ACTIVITY. AN UNSOLICITED COMMENT FROM ARTCC UPSET THE RPTR.
Narrative: OUR ACFT WAS ON J35 ENRTE TO STL AT FL370 AND VISUALLY IDENTED A TSTM (LEVEL 5) OVERHEAD STL. TOPS WERE WELL ABOVE OUR ALT (WX RADAR ON BOARD CONFIRMED LEVEL 5 TSTM). WE INITIALLY REQUESTED A DEV TO THE L APPROX 60 MI FROM STL AND CENTER ONLY AUTHORIZED A 10 DEG DEV L. CLOSER TO STL WE DETERMINED WE NEEDED A DEV FURTHER L AND MADE REQUESTS TO CENTER AT LEAST 5 TIMES FOR A FURTHER L DEV. CENTER DID NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF THE REQUESTS TO AVOID TSTM PENETRATION, WE HAD TO TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO DEV L. AFTER THE DEV, CENTER FINALLY CALLED US BACK AND STATED, 'I'M SURE GLAD YOU DIDN'T HIT THAT OTHER ACFT'. WE HAD TCASII ON BOARD AND OPERATIONAL AND IT DID NOT AT ANY TIME DURING THE MANEUVER SHOW ANY ACFT WITHIN 10 MI OF US. THE CTLR'S REMARKS WERE TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR AND VERY UNPROFESSIONAL. IF HE HAD RESPONDED TO OUR REQUESTS INITIALLY, THIS INCIDENT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.