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Attributes | |
ACN | 188793 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 227 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 188793 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 225 |
ASRS Report | 188797 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Aircraft arrived from buf. Deplaning advised of a pressurization problem. Probably forward entry door seal. Maintenance advised me that this aircraft had a history of pressurization problems. Mechanic control decided to placard the system to operate in manual. I questioned the mechanic as to the need for this since I didn't think it would solve the problem. But mechanic control said it would, so away we went. During climb to FL350, it was apparent that the cabin would exceed 8000 ft at that altitude, so we went at FL310. Cabin leveled at 7600 ft and gradually climbed to 7900. Outflow valve and forward cargo pit valves were both full closed. On descent it required 80 N2 on both engines 1 and 3 to control cabin descent at 500 FPM. Advised fll that we would need maintenance on arrival. Mechanics found 3' by 12' gash in fuselage below and ahead of forward galley door. When I initially arrived at the aircraft prior to flight the forward galley was being svced and the flight engineer was out walking around the aircraft. I believe his view of the damage was blocked by the catering truck. At the previous airline where I worked, it was standard procedure for a mechanic to walk around the aircraft immediately prior to pushback to prevent this sort of occurrence. But the pwrs that be at this airline don't really want to know how we did it elsewhere, so no suggestion is made.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PREVIOUS FLC RPTED PRESSURIZATION PROBLEM. AUTO PRESS DEACTIVATED. FLT RELEASED WITH MANUAL PRESSURIZATION. AT FL350 UNABLE TO MAINTAIN CABIN PRESSURE. FLEW AT FL310. POSTFLT DISCOVERED TEAR IN FUSELAGE SKIN FORWARD OF SVC DOOR.
Narrative: ACFT ARRIVED FROM BUF. DEPLANING ADVISED OF A PRESSURIZATION PROBLEM. PROBABLY FORWARD ENTRY DOOR SEAL. MAINT ADVISED ME THAT THIS ACFT HAD A HISTORY OF PRESSURIZATION PROBLEMS. MECH CTL DECIDED TO PLACARD THE SYS TO OPERATE IN MANUAL. I QUESTIONED THE MECH AS TO THE NEED FOR THIS SINCE I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM. BUT MECH CTL SAID IT WOULD, SO AWAY WE WENT. DURING CLB TO FL350, IT WAS APPARENT THAT THE CABIN WOULD EXCEED 8000 FT AT THAT ALT, SO WE WENT AT FL310. CABIN LEVELED AT 7600 FT AND GRADUALLY CLBED TO 7900. OUTFLOW VALVE AND FORWARD CARGO PIT VALVES WERE BOTH FULL CLOSED. ON DSCNT IT REQUIRED 80 N2 ON BOTH ENGS 1 AND 3 TO CTL CABIN DSCNT AT 500 FPM. ADVISED FLL THAT WE WOULD NEED MAINT ON ARR. MECHS FOUND 3' BY 12' GASH IN FUSELAGE BELOW AND AHEAD OF FORWARD GALLEY DOOR. WHEN I INITIALLY ARRIVED AT THE ACFT PRIOR TO FLT THE FORWARD GALLEY WAS BEING SVCED AND THE FLT ENGINEER WAS OUT WALKING AROUND THE ACFT. I BELIEVE HIS VIEW OF THE DAMAGE WAS BLOCKED BY THE CATERING TRUCK. AT THE PREVIOUS AIRLINE WHERE I WORKED, IT WAS STANDARD PROC FOR A MECH TO WALK AROUND THE ACFT IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO PUSHBACK TO PREVENT THIS SORT OF OCCURRENCE. BUT THE PWRS THAT BE AT THIS AIRLINE DON'T REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW WE DID IT ELSEWHERE, SO NO SUGGESTION IS MADE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.