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Air carrier PIC report of non standard radio communication techniques at atl TRACON. Report cites non use of air carrier call signs, numbers only with some similar sounding a/north in TCA.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 189584 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199109 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : atl |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13300 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 189584 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On atl approach, frequency 127.25, at am:45E and also pm:30E, controller at no time used any airline call signs, numbers only, even though I knew there was another aircraft with numbers similar to mine. Whenever I received an instruction (heading, altitude) I read back and checked that it was for (airline, number). Supervisor came on frequency asking if there was a problem. I replied that there was no problem, only that the lack of airline identifiers with similar numbers on frequency needed clarification. 4 hours later, controllers on same frequency still refused to use airline identifiers. NASA pubs (callback), ATC, and FAA publicity seem to emphasize importance of pilots' using full call signs and how this helps bring about safe communications. How about a word on ATC's failings in this area! Air carriers almost never fail to use full call signs, while it's nothing unusual for ATC to omit call signs or even to use partial numbers.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PIC RPT OF NON STANDARD RADIO COM TECHNIQUES AT ATL TRACON. RPT CITES NON USE OF ACR CALL SIGNS, NUMBERS ONLY WITH SOME SIMILAR SOUNDING A/N IN TCA.
Narrative: ON ATL APCH, FREQ 127.25, AT AM:45E AND ALSO PM:30E, CTLR AT NO TIME USED ANY AIRLINE CALL SIGNS, NUMBERS ONLY, EVEN THOUGH I KNEW THERE WAS ANOTHER ACFT WITH NUMBERS SIMILAR TO MINE. WHENEVER I RECEIVED AN INSTRUCTION (HDG, ALT) I READ BACK AND CHKED THAT IT WAS FOR (AIRLINE, NUMBER). SUPVR CAME ON FREQ ASKING IF THERE WAS A PROB. I REPLIED THAT THERE WAS NO PROB, ONLY THAT THE LACK OF AIRLINE IDENTIFIERS WITH SIMILAR NUMBERS ON FREQ NEEDED CLARIFICATION. 4 HRS LATER, CTLRS ON SAME FREQ STILL REFUSED TO USE AIRLINE IDENTIFIERS. NASA PUBS (CALLBACK), ATC, AND FAA PUBLICITY SEEM TO EMPHASIZE IMPORTANCE OF PLTS' USING FULL CALL SIGNS AND HOW THIS HELPS BRING ABOUT SAFE COMS. HOW ABOUT A WORD ON ATC'S FAILINGS IN THIS AREA! AIR CARRIERS ALMOST NEVER FAIL TO USE FULL CALL SIGNS, WHILE IT'S NOTHING UNUSUAL FOR ATC TO OMIT CALL SIGNS OR EVEN TO USE PARTIAL NUMBERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.