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Attributes | |
ACN | 191546 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cew |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : vps tower : cew |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 90 |
ASRS Report | 191546 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
My student and I were on an IFR flight plan from new orleans lakefront to crestview/bob sikes airport, fl. We were within 15 mi (west) of crestview when the pensacola approach controller began giving us vectors for the localizer 17 approach to cew. Due to the vectors we were turned into a line of rain showers. The showers were aligned in a very straight and defined east/west line. We entered IMC conditions approximately 6-8 mi northwest of cew. Approach control asked us to report when we had cew in sight, but gave no information (to the best of my, or my student's recollection) as to the airport conditions at cew. Another short period of time we were established on the localizer at 2000 ft and began our descent. We broke back out of the rain showers approximately 5-6 mi north of the airport. We reported the airport in sight to ATC. The controller advised us that we could cancel IFR at that time, or on the ground with cew FSS. I told approach control that we had good VFR and would cancel at that time. The conditions south of the line of rain showers were nothing but VFR. We made a traffic report to cew traffic that we were on approximately 3 mi final. Cew radio responded by saying we should call after landing to cancel SVFR clearance. We had no idea their control zone was IFR, but we confirmed this by noting the rotating beacon was on after clearing the runway. We called cew radio after landing as we were instructed. Nothing more was said. My student and I then went to the FSS station to question the specialist about the mix up. On our way across the ramp we noticed that the rotating beacon had been shut off sometime while we were parking the aircraft. The airport conditions definitely were VFR, although you could still see the line of showers to the north. We explained to the specialist that the approach controller had not informed us of the conditions at cew and we assumed the control zone to be VFR. Had we known otherwise we would not have cancelled IFR while in the air in the control zone. The FSS did not indicate that any action was going to be taken, but that she was going to query pensacola approach about the lack of information given to us in the air. I am submitting this report to let someone know that my student and I are concerned about what happened that day. I make my living flying airplanes and I want to be up front about this situation. I think that the bottom line of my report is that the lack of airport information given by ATC could have caused a problem for us if conditions were different or if the FSS had not been friendly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR WITH STUDENT ON IFR FLT PLAN. CTLR INDICATES CAN CANCEL WHEN ARPT IN SIGHT. THEY DO CANCEL, BUT CTL ZONE IS IFR.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM NEW ORLEANS LAKEFRONT TO CRESTVIEW/BOB SIKES ARPT, FL. WE WERE WITHIN 15 MI (W) OF CRESTVIEW WHEN THE PENSACOLA APCH CTLR BEGAN GIVING US VECTORS FOR THE LOC 17 APCH TO CEW. DUE TO THE VECTORS WE WERE TURNED INTO A LINE OF RAIN SHOWERS. THE SHOWERS WERE ALIGNED IN A VERY STRAIGHT AND DEFINED E/W LINE. WE ENTERED IMC CONDITIONS APPROX 6-8 MI NW OF CEW. APCH CTL ASKED US TO RPT WHEN WE HAD CEW IN SIGHT, BUT GAVE NO INFO (TO THE BEST OF MY, OR MY STUDENT'S RECOLLECTION) AS TO THE ARPT CONDITIONS AT CEW. ANOTHER SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON THE LOC AT 2000 FT AND BEGAN OUR DSCNT. WE BROKE BACK OUT OF THE RAIN SHOWERS APPROX 5-6 MI N OF THE ARPT. WE RPTED THE ARPT IN SIGHT TO ATC. THE CTLR ADVISED US THAT WE COULD CANCEL IFR AT THAT TIME, OR ON THE GND WITH CEW FSS. I TOLD APCH CTL THAT WE HAD GOOD VFR AND WOULD CANCEL AT THAT TIME. THE CONDITIONS S OF THE LINE OF RAIN SHOWERS WERE NOTHING BUT VFR. WE MADE A TFC RPT TO CEW TFC THAT WE WERE ON APPROX 3 MI FINAL. CEW RADIO RESPONDED BY SAYING WE SHOULD CALL AFTER LNDG TO CANCEL SVFR CLRNC. WE HAD NO IDEA THEIR CTL ZONE WAS IFR, BUT WE CONFIRMED THIS BY NOTING THE ROTATING BEACON WAS ON AFTER CLRING THE RWY. WE CALLED CEW RADIO AFTER LNDG AS WE WERE INSTRUCTED. NOTHING MORE WAS SAID. MY STUDENT AND I THEN WENT TO THE FSS STATION TO QUESTION THE SPECIALIST ABOUT THE MIX UP. ON OUR WAY ACROSS THE RAMP WE NOTICED THAT THE ROTATING BEACON HAD BEEN SHUT OFF SOMETIME WHILE WE WERE PARKING THE ACFT. THE ARPT CONDITIONS DEFINITELY WERE VFR, ALTHOUGH YOU COULD STILL SEE THE LINE OF SHOWERS TO THE N. WE EXPLAINED TO THE SPECIALIST THAT THE APCH CTLR HAD NOT INFORMED US OF THE CONDITIONS AT CEW AND WE ASSUMED THE CTL ZONE TO BE VFR. HAD WE KNOWN OTHERWISE WE WOULD NOT HAVE CANCELLED IFR WHILE IN THE AIR IN THE CTL ZONE. THE FSS DID NOT INDICATE THAT ANY ACTION WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN, BUT THAT SHE WAS GOING TO QUERY PENSACOLA APCH ABOUT THE LACK OF INFO GIVEN TO US IN THE AIR. I AM SUBMITTING THIS RPT TO LET SOMEONE KNOW THAT MY STUDENT AND I ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY. I MAKE MY LIVING FLYING AIRPLANES AND I WANT TO BE UP FRONT ABOUT THIS SITUATION. I THINK THAT THE BOTTOM LINE OF MY RPT IS THAT THE LACK OF ARPT INFO GIVEN BY ATC COULD HAVE CAUSED A PROBLEM FOR US IF CONDITIONS WERE DIFFERENT OR IF THE FSS HAD NOT BEEN FRIENDLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.