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Attributes | |
ACN | 191744 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 2100 agl bound upper : 2100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 24150 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 191744 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 11300 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 191747 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was the captain and the PF our flight from dca to dtw, on an large transport. We were on an ILS approach, in visual conditions, outside the OM, following another large transport to runway 21R. A widebody transport was taxiing onto the runway for departure. At this point my first officer noticed a TCASII target just ahead of the aircraft in front of us. He asked the control tower if there was another aircraft just ahead of the aircraft we were following. The tower controller indicated that we were number 2 for the runway, and that no one was ahead of the lft in front of us. As the departing widebody transport became airborne his TCASII indication, in our aircraft, jumped ahead to approximately his correct position. After landing the ground controller asked us to telephone the tower. The chief controller with whom I spoke, was filling out a new form pertaining to TCASII issues. I explained the above and added that our concern was for a possible missed approach. Our concern was not for our safety, but we were concerned about the aircraft ahead of us with a TCASII target quite close to him. After further discussion, I remembered and added that approximately 3 months ago I experienced a like TCASII indication on approach to lax with a widebody transport departing ahead of us. That departing target also jumped on the indicator when he became airborne. I now believe the TCASII system may give a false distance indication when an aircraft is still on the ground. I am filing this report, because it is impossible to guess what may transpire when a job justifying bureaucrat gets his hands on the TCASII report filed by the dtw chief controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT RPTR'S ALLUDE TO AN ACFT EQUIP PROBLEM WITH TCASII TA BEING PRONOUNCED FROM DEP TFC ON RWY AHEAD AS POTENTIAL SAME DIRECTION TFC CONFLICT.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT AND THE PF OUR FLT FROM DCA TO DTW, ON AN LGT. WE WERE ON AN ILS APCH, IN VISUAL CONDITIONS, OUTSIDE THE OM, FOLLOWING ANOTHER LGT TO RWY 21R. A WDB WAS TAXIING ONTO THE RWY FOR DEP. AT THIS POINT MY FO NOTICED A TCASII TARGET JUST AHEAD OF THE ACFT IN FRONT OF US. HE ASKED THE CTL TWR IF THERE WAS ANOTHER ACFT JUST AHEAD OF THE ACFT WE WERE FOLLOWING. THE TWR CTLR INDICATED THAT WE WERE NUMBER 2 FOR THE RWY, AND THAT NO ONE WAS AHEAD OF THE LFT IN FRONT OF US. AS THE DEPARTING WDB BECAME AIRBORNE HIS TCASII INDICATION, IN OUR ACFT, JUMPED AHEAD TO APPROX HIS CORRECT POS. AFTER LNDG THE GND CTLR ASKED US TO TELEPHONE THE TWR. THE CHIEF CTLR WITH WHOM I SPOKE, WAS FILLING OUT A NEW FORM PERTAINING TO TCASII ISSUES. I EXPLAINED THE ABOVE AND ADDED THAT OUR CONCERN WAS FOR A POSSIBLE MISSED APCH. OUR CONCERN WAS NOT FOR OUR SAFETY, BUT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACFT AHEAD OF US WITH A TCASII TARGET QUITE CLOSE TO HIM. AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION, I REMEMBERED AND ADDED THAT APPROX 3 MONTHS AGO I EXPERIENCED A LIKE TCASII INDICATION ON APCH TO LAX WITH A WDB DEPARTING AHEAD OF US. THAT DEPARTING TARGET ALSO JUMPED ON THE INDICATOR WHEN HE BECAME AIRBORNE. I NOW BELIEVE THE TCASII SYS MAY GIVE A FALSE DISTANCE INDICATION WHEN AN ACFT IS STILL ON THE GND. I AM FILING THIS RPT, BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GUESS WHAT MAY TRANSPIRE WHEN A JOB JUSTIFYING BUREAUCRAT GETS HIS HANDS ON THE TCASII RPT FILED BY THE DTW CHIEF CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.