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Military aircraft are allowed to enter a training area without coordination with a nearby ATC facility.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 193723 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199111 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : eyw airport : nqx |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 1500 agl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : nqx tower : eyw |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Fighter |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 7 |
| ASRS Report | 193723 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
I noticed a flight of 3 navy jets (3 fgt's) south of eyw airport about 1/2 mi at 1500-2000 ft all inbound to nqx. I called nqx approach to ask what was going on. They said they forgot to ask for the king I area. I asked how long did they need it, they said they had 1 more flight of 3. I then asked if they needed 1500 ft or 2000 ft. They said 2000 ft. I then observed the flight of 3 aircraft below a 900 ft scattered layer of clouds. Not only did they not coordinate in the first place, they didn't coordinate for the correct altitude. This is beginning to happen more frequently again. It slowed down drastically after the last NASA alert was sent. Now it's picking up again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIL ACFT ARE ALLOWED TO ENTER A TRAINING AREA WITHOUT COORD WITH A NEARBY ATC FACILITY.
Narrative: I NOTICED A FLT OF 3 NAVY JETS (3 FGT'S) S OF EYW ARPT ABOUT 1/2 MI AT 1500-2000 FT ALL INBOUND TO NQX. I CALLED NQX APCH TO ASK WHAT WAS GOING ON. THEY SAID THEY FORGOT TO ASK FOR THE KING I AREA. I ASKED HOW LONG DID THEY NEED IT, THEY SAID THEY HAD 1 MORE FLT OF 3. I THEN ASKED IF THEY NEEDED 1500 FT OR 2000 FT. THEY SAID 2000 FT. I THEN OBSERVED THE FLT OF 3 ACFT BELOW A 900 FT SCATTERED LAYER OF CLOUDS. NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT COORDINATE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEY DIDN'T COORDINATE FOR THE CORRECT ALT. THIS IS BEGINNING TO HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY AGAIN. IT SLOWED DOWN DRASTICALLY AFTER THE LAST NASA ALERT WAS SENT. NOW IT'S PICKING UP AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.