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Attributes | |
ACN | 193796 |
Time | |
Date | 199111 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 193796 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approaching smo VOR we called the lax airport in sight and were cleared for the stadium visual runway 24R. On downwind (068 degree radial) the controller advised us that we were #1 and requested that we keep our turn to final tight due to arrs on 25L. We turned from downwind to base (D9.0 smo) at 4000 ft MSL and at 200 KTS. The PNF began to channel in the ILS frequency for 24R when the PF advised that the 084 degree right was needed to establish when to start the turn from base to final. After a glance at the approach plate, the PNF selected the 084 degree radial on his CDI and the PF finished selecting the ILS frequency on his navigation radio. We were on the 084 degree radial when it was selected and looking out the right side window, towards the airport, we saw that the aircraft was almost on and 90 degree to the final approach course of 24R. A turn towards the airport was immediately made, the aircraft was leveled off at 3500 ft MSL and flaps extended to help slow and 'tighten' the turn. The turn to final took us through the final for 24R and over the final for 25L. The aircraft was again established on the final approach course to 24R and landed. Contributing factors: 1) the distance remaining to make the base to final turn (approximately 1.3 mi) after crossing the 084 degree radial is very short in time and distance and this fact is not clearly depicted on the chart. 2) the plate (approach chart) would be easier to visualize if roman (LOM) were shown on the chart. 3) the note (dog leg min of 1 mi approximately 45 degree turn to final) was not quickly and completely understood.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG ON STADIUM VISUAL OVERSHOT ALIGNMENT FOR 25R NAVIGATED BACK TO 24R FOR LNDG.
Narrative: APCHING SMO VOR WE CALLED THE LAX ARPT IN SIGHT AND WERE CLRED FOR THE STADIUM VISUAL RWY 24R. ON DOWNWIND (068 DEG RADIAL) THE CTLR ADVISED US THAT WE WERE #1 AND REQUESTED THAT WE KEEP OUR TURN TO FINAL TIGHT DUE TO ARRS ON 25L. WE TURNED FROM DOWNWIND TO BASE (D9.0 SMO) AT 4000 FT MSL AND AT 200 KTS. THE PNF BEGAN TO CHANNEL IN THE ILS FREQ FOR 24R WHEN THE PF ADVISED THAT THE 084 DEG R WAS NEEDED TO ESTABLISH WHEN TO START THE TURN FROM BASE TO FINAL. AFTER A GLANCE AT THE APCH PLATE, THE PNF SELECTED THE 084 DEG RADIAL ON HIS CDI AND THE PF FINISHED SELECTING THE ILS FREQ ON HIS NAV RADIO. WE WERE ON THE 084 DEG RADIAL WHEN IT WAS SELECTED AND LOOKING OUT THE R SIDE WINDOW, TOWARDS THE ARPT, WE SAW THAT THE ACFT WAS ALMOST ON AND 90 DEG TO THE FINAL APCH COURSE OF 24R. A TURN TOWARDS THE ARPT WAS IMMEDIATELY MADE, THE ACFT WAS LEVELED OFF AT 3500 FT MSL AND FLAPS EXTENDED TO HELP SLOW AND 'TIGHTEN' THE TURN. THE TURN TO FINAL TOOK US THROUGH THE FINAL FOR 24R AND OVER THE FINAL FOR 25L. THE ACFT WAS AGAIN ESTABLISHED ON THE FINAL APCH COURSE TO 24R AND LANDED. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) THE DISTANCE REMAINING TO MAKE THE BASE TO FINAL TURN (APPROX 1.3 MI) AFTER XING THE 084 DEG RADIAL IS VERY SHORT IN TIME AND DISTANCE AND THIS FACT IS NOT CLRLY DEPICTED ON THE CHART. 2) THE PLATE (APCH CHART) WOULD BE EASIER TO VISUALIZE IF ROMAN (LOM) WERE SHOWN ON THE CHART. 3) THE NOTE (DOG LEG MIN OF 1 MI APPROX 45 DEG TURN TO FINAL) WAS NOT QUICKLY AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.