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Attributes | |
ACN | 195198 |
Time | |
Date | 199111 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ewr airport : n90 |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 195918 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
At most large airports, particularly, ewr, bos and lga and ord, we receive the instruction 'hold at least 180 KTS to the marker' about 75 percent of all approachs. This is not a problem when it's VFR or there's no significant tailwind. On this day, however, the wind was 230/30 at 3000 ft and 230/25 at 2000 ft and the RVR was 4000. This puts us at 205 KTS at the marker on an approach where we broke out at less than 100 ft above mins. Note that the instruction was not 'if feasible' or 'advise if unable.' approach control is creating a dangerous situation in order to expedite traffic flow.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR INSTRUCTED TO HOLD HIGH SPD TO MARKER IN TAILWIND CONDITIONS.
Narrative: AT MOST LARGE ARPTS, PARTICULARLY, EWR, BOS AND LGA AND ORD, WE RECEIVE THE INSTRUCTION 'HOLD AT LEAST 180 KTS TO THE MARKER' ABOUT 75 PERCENT OF ALL APCHS. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WHEN IT'S VFR OR THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT TAILWIND. ON THIS DAY, HOWEVER, THE WIND WAS 230/30 AT 3000 FT AND 230/25 AT 2000 FT AND THE RVR WAS 4000. THIS PUTS US AT 205 KTS AT THE MARKER ON AN APCH WHERE WE BROKE OUT AT LESS THAN 100 FT ABOVE MINS. NOTE THAT THE INSTRUCTION WAS NOT 'IF FEASIBLE' OR 'ADVISE IF UNABLE.' APCH CTL IS CREATING A DANGEROUS SITUATION IN ORDER TO EXPEDITE TFC FLOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.