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Attributes | |
ACN | 195303 |
Time | |
Date | 199111 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : eau |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 195303 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 1625 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 195301 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Landed on runway 32 at eau. After landing, first officer noted in the NOTAMS that runway was closed. Msp center, airport advisory, company operations at eau did not mention 32 was closed. On the ground I talked to an airport worker and he said 32 was open. Shortly after I landed, an light transport landed on 32 as did an small aircraft. I used runway 22 for departure and noted twin small transport departed 32. On the return flight the NOTAMS showed 32 still closed, but airport advisory said winds were 310 degrees at 18 KTS and 32 was the favored runway. Landed on runway 22 this time because of NOTAM that 32 was closed. Departed on 22 and noted aircraft were still using 32. In fact before departing 22 an small transport a landed on 32 and an small transport B departed 32. It was obvious that 32 was not closed and was in fact open between XA00 and XD00 local time. When I got back to msp at XD30 or so, I checked commercial WX and the eau NOTAMS showed 32 open. When I landed the first time at XA30 runway 32 was plowed full width, though snow packed, there were no X's on either end of runway 32. Supplemental information from acn 195301: the captain called 'in range' to the company who made no mention of the notamed closure. In addition, we called unicom and received an airport advisory that wind was 320/14 and runway 32 was the preferred runway. During rollout, we heard the snow plow equipment operator ask the unicom if the runway was still notamed closed. He replied it was, and then there was an ensuing discussion regarding the communication breakdown between green bay, wi, FSS and msp FSS. The operator suggested the runway be notamed open again. The NOTAM was still in effect up to 4 hours later.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER FLT LANDS ON RWY NOTAMED CLOSED.
Narrative: LANDED ON RWY 32 AT EAU. AFTER LNDG, FO NOTED IN THE NOTAMS THAT RWY WAS CLOSED. MSP CENTER, ARPT ADVISORY, COMPANY OPS AT EAU DID NOT MENTION 32 WAS CLOSED. ON THE GND I TALKED TO AN ARPT WORKER AND HE SAID 32 WAS OPEN. SHORTLY AFTER I LANDED, AN LTT LANDED ON 32 AS DID AN SMA. I USED RWY 22 FOR DEP AND NOTED TWIN SMT DEPARTED 32. ON THE RETURN FLT THE NOTAMS SHOWED 32 STILL CLOSED, BUT ARPT ADVISORY SAID WINDS WERE 310 DEGS AT 18 KTS AND 32 WAS THE FAVORED RWY. LANDED ON RWY 22 THIS TIME BECAUSE OF NOTAM THAT 32 WAS CLOSED. DEPARTED ON 22 AND NOTED ACFT WERE STILL USING 32. IN FACT BEFORE DEPARTING 22 AN SMT A LANDED ON 32 AND AN SMT B DEPARTED 32. IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT 32 WAS NOT CLOSED AND WAS IN FACT OPEN BTWN XA00 AND XD00 LCL TIME. WHEN I GOT BACK TO MSP AT XD30 OR SO, I CHKED COMMERCIAL WX AND THE EAU NOTAMS SHOWED 32 OPEN. WHEN I LANDED THE FIRST TIME AT XA30 RWY 32 WAS PLOWED FULL WIDTH, THOUGH SNOW PACKED, THERE WERE NO X'S ON EITHER END OF RWY 32. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 195301: THE CAPT CALLED 'IN RANGE' TO THE COMPANY WHO MADE NO MENTION OF THE NOTAMED CLOSURE. IN ADDITION, WE CALLED UNICOM AND RECEIVED AN ARPT ADVISORY THAT WIND WAS 320/14 AND RWY 32 WAS THE PREFERRED RWY. DURING ROLLOUT, WE HEARD THE SNOW PLOW EQUIP OPERATOR ASK THE UNICOM IF THE RWY WAS STILL NOTAMED CLOSED. HE REPLIED IT WAS, AND THEN THERE WAS AN ENSUING DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COM BREAKDOWN BTWN GREEN BAY, WI, FSS AND MSP FSS. THE OPERATOR SUGGESTED THE RWY BE NOTAMED OPEN AGAIN. THE NOTAM WAS STILL IN EFFECT UP TO 4 HRS LATER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.