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Attributes | |
ACN | 198286 |
Time | |
Date | 199201 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sli airport : sna |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 198286 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Crossed sli at 4000 ft, vectors to visual 19R at sna. New heading 090 degree, 'field in sight' and cleared for a 'visual 19R.' moderate radio congestion. To complete checklist, first officer left communication #1. I continued descent to clear clouds (broken layer at 3300 ft) above. Then spotted an small aircraft at 1 O'clock at 1/4 NM traveling north at 3000 ft. Small aircraft maintain course and altitude, I pushed nose down to clear under by 150 ft. Ask coast if they saw traffic. Response was 'just coming up now. Was over radar site which has a 2 NM radius blind spot!' called coast by phone from sna and reported near midair collision. Was informed that the radar site was 5 NM north of my position! As I recall, there were 2 controllers working the frequency at the time. Was 1 a trainee? With all the computer ability at TRACON, why can't a different radar site (el toro?) cover that small (6 square mi) area above the sli radar site and eliminate the blind spot in what has to be the densest traffic area around! Copy of this report to company and alpa to request review of radar tape.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX COMMUTER-LTT GA-SMA NEAR SLI VOR.
Narrative: CROSSED SLI AT 4000 FT, VECTORS TO VISUAL 19R AT SNA. NEW HDG 090 DEG, 'FIELD IN SIGHT' AND CLRED FOR A 'VISUAL 19R.' MODERATE RADIO CONGESTION. TO COMPLETE CHKLIST, FO LEFT COM #1. I CONTINUED DSCNT TO CLR CLOUDS (BROKEN LAYER AT 3300 FT) ABOVE. THEN SPOTTED AN SMA AT 1 O'CLOCK AT 1/4 NM TRAVELING N AT 3000 FT. SMA MAINTAIN COURSE AND ALT, I PUSHED NOSE DOWN TO CLR UNDER BY 150 FT. ASK COAST IF THEY SAW TFC. RESPONSE WAS 'JUST COMING UP NOW. WAS OVER RADAR SITE WHICH HAS A 2 NM RADIUS BLIND SPOT!' CALLED COAST BY PHONE FROM SNA AND RPTED NMAC. WAS INFORMED THAT THE RADAR SITE WAS 5 NM N OF MY POS! AS I RECALL, THERE WERE 2 CTLRS WORKING THE FREQ AT THE TIME. WAS 1 A TRAINEE? WITH ALL THE COMPUTER ABILITY AT TRACON, WHY CAN'T A DIFFERENT RADAR SITE (EL TORO?) COVER THAT SMALL (6 SQUARE MI) AREA ABOVE THE SLI RADAR SITE AND ELIMINATE THE BLIND SPOT IN WHAT HAS TO BE THE DENSEST TFC AREA AROUND! COPY OF THIS RPT TO COMPANY AND ALPA TO REQUEST REVIEW OF RADAR TAPE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.