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Attributes | |
ACN | 201379 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 290 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 201379 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 201208 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Upon landing at cle runway 23R we understood that we were cleared to cross 23L and contact ground upon clearing 23L. After clearing and contacting ground we were instructed to call the supervisor. After the captain called we were told that we were instructed to hold short of 18 and stay with the tower controller. We didn't receive or understand that clearance and therefore forced an aircraft to do a go around when we crossed 18. I believe this could have been avoided if tower would make sure we (pilots) understood all clearance and that clearance's that involve other aircraft should be conveyed to the crews at times other than slowing an aircraft on landing roll. I also believe better runway markings with hold short and runway signs might have aided us. Supplemental information from acn 201208: I suspect that the tower may have instructed me to hold short of runway 18 while I was changing frequency from tower to ground control. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states he feels controllers ought to be aware of cockpit need for no distraction on landing roll out. Do not issue instructions until aircraft initiating turn off of runway. If reason to hold short, notify flight crew with advisory to assure understanding. At intxns there are no hold lines indicating there is a runway. Yellow taxi lines continue on across a runway! Often cannot see taxiway signs. Other aircraft was company plane and crew told reporter there was no need to go around, had enough spacing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT MISSES HOLD SHORT PORTION OF TAXI CLRNC. FORCES GAR OF SECOND ACFT.
Narrative: UPON LNDG AT CLE RWY 23R WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS 23L AND CONTACT GND UPON CLRING 23L. AFTER CLRING AND CONTACTING GND WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CALL THE SUPVR. AFTER THE CAPT CALLED WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF 18 AND STAY WITH THE TWR CTLR. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE OR UNDERSTAND THAT CLRNC AND THEREFORE FORCED AN ACFT TO DO A GAR WHEN WE CROSSED 18. I BELIEVE THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF TWR WOULD MAKE SURE WE (PLTS) UNDERSTOOD ALL CLRNC AND THAT CLRNC'S THAT INVOLVE OTHER ACFT SHOULD BE CONVEYED TO THE CREWS AT TIMES OTHER THAN SLOWING AN ACFT ON LNDG ROLL. I ALSO BELIEVE BETTER RWY MARKINGS WITH HOLD SHORT AND RWY SIGNS MIGHT HAVE AIDED US. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 201208: I SUSPECT THAT THE TWR MAY HAVE INSTRUCTED ME TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 18 WHILE I WAS CHANGING FREQ FROM TWR TO GND CTL. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES HE FEELS CTLRS OUGHT TO BE AWARE OF COCKPIT NEED FOR NO DISTR ON LNDG ROLL OUT. DO NOT ISSUE INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL ACFT INITIATING TURN OFF OF RWY. IF REASON TO HOLD SHORT, NOTIFY FLC WITH ADVISORY TO ASSURE UNDERSTANDING. AT INTXNS THERE ARE NO HOLD LINES INDICATING THERE IS A RWY. YELLOW TAXI LINES CONTINUE ON ACROSS A RWY! OFTEN CANNOT SEE TAXIWAY SIGNS. OTHER ACFT WAS COMPANY PLANE AND CREW TOLD RPTR THERE WAS NO NEED TO GAR, HAD ENOUGH SPACING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.