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Attributes | |
ACN | 202378 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phl |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : gon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute airway : phl |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 7300 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 202378 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
It was the captain's leg from phl to atl. We were departing and cleared to 10000 ft. ATC told us of traffic Y at 10 to 11 O'clock at 11000 ft. We told him he was in sight. I asked the controller what his altitude was supposed to be again because I thought he looked lower than 1000 ft above us. The controller confirmed he was at 11000 ft, then asked us to verify our altitude, I told him we were at 9700 ft leveling at 10000 ft. He said our altitude showed 10700 ft. I asked for the current altimeter setting. He said 30.72 we both (captain and first officer and altitude warning) had 29.72 set. Back to the previous leg from atl to phl, it was my leg (first officer) and as we were descending out of 18000 I believe the controller gave us the wrong altitude setting of 29.69. As we descended we never leveled off at any of our altitudes. Then we were cleared for the visual approach so we never realized we were at the wrong altitude or had the wrong setting. We landed and taxied to the gate. As we were preparing for departure back to atl, I got the departure ATIS and on it it said the altimeter was 30.72. Now remember in the altitude reminder we had 29.69 set so I reached down and changed the setting from .69 to .72 and didn't realize we were off by 1000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG FLC EXPERIENCES ALT OVERSHOOT (AND POSSIBLE CONFLICT WITH TFC Y) ON DEP FROM PHL DUE THEIR HAVING INCORRECTLY SET THE ALTIMETER.
Narrative: IT WAS THE CAPT'S LEG FROM PHL TO ATL. WE WERE DEPARTING AND CLRED TO 10000 FT. ATC TOLD US OF TFC Y AT 10 TO 11 O'CLOCK AT 11000 FT. WE TOLD HIM HE WAS IN SIGHT. I ASKED THE CTLR WHAT HIS ALT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AGAIN BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE LOOKED LOWER THAN 1000 FT ABOVE US. THE CTLR CONFIRMED HE WAS AT 11000 FT, THEN ASKED US TO VERIFY OUR ALT, I TOLD HIM WE WERE AT 9700 FT LEVELING AT 10000 FT. HE SAID OUR ALT SHOWED 10700 FT. I ASKED FOR THE CURRENT ALTIMETER SETTING. HE SAID 30.72 WE BOTH (CAPT AND FO AND ALT WARNING) HAD 29.72 SET. BACK TO THE PREVIOUS LEG FROM ATL TO PHL, IT WAS MY LEG (FO) AND AS WE WERE DSNDING OUT OF 18000 I BELIEVE THE CTLR GAVE US THE WRONG ALT SETTING OF 29.69. AS WE DSNDED WE NEVER LEVELED OFF AT ANY OF OUR ALTS. THEN WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH SO WE NEVER REALIZED WE WERE AT THE WRONG ALT OR HAD THE WRONG SETTING. WE LANDED AND TAXIED TO THE GATE. AS WE WERE PREPARING FOR DEP BACK TO ATL, I GOT THE DEP ATIS AND ON IT IT SAID THE ALTIMETER WAS 30.72. NOW REMEMBER IN THE ALT REMINDER WE HAD 29.69 SET SO I REACHED DOWN AND CHANGED THE SETTING FROM .69 TO .72 AND DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE OFF BY 1000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.