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Attributes | |
ACN | 202572 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bur |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bur tracon : edw |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
ASRS Report | 202572 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approaching vny area from mammoth, getting VFR advisories. Joshua, the then controling facility, called traffic at 9 O'clock. Spotted traffic at 8 O'clock, a large air carrier type. Acknowledged seeing traffic and he acknowledged seeing me. But, controller asked me to maintain 8500, which I did. After traffic passed underneath me, I advised ATC but ATC insisted I maintain 8500. Then ATC cancelled advisory service but by them, I was over 8000' and approaching bur airspace. Unable to reach bur by radio because we were high and fast, descending to 6000'. By the time we could reach bur, we were near vny airport. I had to circle way west to lose altitude. I notified bur controller that we had airport in sight and turned towards vny, still descending. Controller kept giving advisories, including traffic in vny pattern but failed to release us or hand us off to vny tower. Requested to turn to downwind for runway 34 but controller told me to turn to heading of 360 degrees - the opposite of vny traffic! I refused because of obvious danger, then agreed to turn north only over the runway. I cannot understand why the bur controller was so insistent in trying to require an unsafe maneuver.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA X REFUSED A RADAR VECTOR TURN WHILE IN BUR ARSA. PLTDEV.
Narrative: APCHING VNY AREA FROM MAMMOTH, GETTING VFR ADVISORIES. JOSHUA, THE THEN CTLING FACILITY, CALLED TFC AT 9 O'CLOCK. SPOTTED TFC AT 8 O'CLOCK, A LARGE AIR CARRIER TYPE. ACKNOWLEDGED SEEING TFC AND HE ACKNOWLEDGED SEEING ME. BUT, CTLR ASKED ME TO MAINTAIN 8500, WHICH I DID. AFTER TFC PASSED UNDERNEATH ME, I ADVISED ATC BUT ATC INSISTED I MAINTAIN 8500. THEN ATC CANCELLED ADVISORY SVC BUT BY THEM, I WAS OVER 8000' AND APCHING BUR AIRSPACE. UNABLE TO REACH BUR BY RADIO BECAUSE WE WERE HIGH AND FAST, DSNDING TO 6000'. BY THE TIME WE COULD REACH BUR, WE WERE NEAR VNY ARPT. I HAD TO CIRCLE WAY W TO LOSE ALT. I NOTIFIED BUR CTLR THAT WE HAD ARPT IN SIGHT AND TURNED TOWARDS VNY, STILL DSNDING. CTLR KEPT GIVING ADVISORIES, INCLUDING TFC IN VNY PATTERN BUT FAILED TO RELEASE US OR HAND US OFF TO VNY TWR. REQUESTED TO TURN TO DOWNWIND FOR RWY 34 BUT CTLR TOLD ME TO TURN TO HDG OF 360 DEGS - THE OPPOSITE OF VNY TFC! I REFUSED BECAUSE OF OBVIOUS DANGER, THEN AGREED TO TURN N ONLY OVER THE RWY. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE BUR CTLR WAS SO INSISTENT IN TRYING TO REQUIRE AN UNSAFE MANEUVER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.