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Attributes | |
ACN | 202625 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 202625 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Ord tower cleared air carrier to land on runway 4R (roll to the end.) we acknowledged during landing rollout, tower asked if we could 'make the high speed.' we replied we could and did. Tower's response was 'make the high speed and keep it rolling.' on contact with ground, his reply was 'it's wide open...cargo and inner.' we assumed that we were cleared to gate via the cargo and inner taxiways. As we were still taxiing at a higher than normal speed (per the tower's instructions - keep it rolling.) I looked left to see other traffic (on the various taxiways, holding for clearance to gates). At this time we were just moving across the end of runway 9R. It was also at this time that I noticed traffic on very short final to 9R. I applied sufficient power to promptly clear runway 9R. It is my opinion that we were well clear of the runway before the other aircraft landed. As we approached the cargo taxiway the ground controller asked, air carrier identification your on the parallel I replied 'no sir, air carrier identification just turned onto cargo.' there were no other transmissions between us and the ground controller. Factors: tower instructions were changed (take the highspd instead of roll to the end) and ground instruction were clear. He apparently was not aware of the change. Tower instructions were incomplete after changing where we were to exit the runway (i.e. Hold short 9R, stay with me?' when we were on short final to land on 4R. Tower told an aircraft to 'show to approach speed, you have 80 KTS of overtake.' it was that aircraft that caused the tower to change our exiting taxiway to the highspd instead of rolling to the end. Controller's at ord handle a large volume of traffic, maybe too large. At various times (tower, approach and ground), are so busy talking that it is impossible to acknowledge clearance. Occasionally the controller is talking continuously to several acfts at once, making it very difficult to copy and verify your clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR TAXI CLRNC CHANGED ON ROLLOUT. CLRNC CONFUSING. CROSSED RWY WITH ACFT ON FINAL.
Narrative: ORD TWR CLRED ACR TO LAND ON RWY 4R (ROLL TO THE END.) WE ACKNOWLEDGED DURING LNDG ROLLOUT, TWR ASKED IF WE COULD 'MAKE THE HIGH SPD.' WE REPLIED WE COULD AND DID. TWR'S RESPONSE WAS 'MAKE THE HIGH SPD AND KEEP IT ROLLING.' ON CONTACT WITH GND, HIS REPLY WAS 'IT'S WIDE OPEN...CARGO AND INNER.' WE ASSUMED THAT WE WERE CLRED TO GATE VIA THE CARGO AND INNER TAXIWAYS. AS WE WERE STILL TAXIING AT A HIGHER THAN NORMAL SPD (PER THE TWR'S INSTRUCTIONS - KEEP IT ROLLING.) I LOOKED L TO SEE OTHER TFC (ON THE VARIOUS TAXIWAYS, HOLDING FOR CLRNC TO GATES). AT THIS TIME WE WERE JUST MOVING ACROSS THE END OF RWY 9R. IT WAS ALSO AT THIS TIME THAT I NOTICED TFC ON VERY SHORT FINAL TO 9R. I APPLIED SUFFICIENT PWR TO PROMPTLY CLR RWY 9R. IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE WERE WELL CLR OF THE RWY BEFORE THE OTHER ACFT LANDED. AS WE APCHED THE CARGO TAXIWAY THE GND CTLR ASKED, ACR ID YOUR ON THE PARALLEL I REPLIED 'NO SIR, ACR ID JUST TURNED ONTO CARGO.' THERE WERE NO OTHER TRANSMISSIONS BTWN US AND THE GND CTLR. FACTORS: TWR INSTRUCTIONS WERE CHANGED (TAKE THE HIGHSPD INSTEAD OF ROLL TO THE END) AND GND INSTRUCTION WERE CLR. HE APPARENTLY WAS NOT AWARE OF THE CHANGE. TWR INSTRUCTIONS WERE INCOMPLETE AFTER CHANGING WHERE WE WERE TO EXIT THE RWY (I.E. HOLD SHORT 9R, STAY WITH ME?' WHEN WE WERE ON SHORT FINAL TO LAND ON 4R. TWR TOLD AN ACFT TO 'SHOW TO APCH SPD, YOU HAVE 80 KTS OF OVERTAKE.' IT WAS THAT ACFT THAT CAUSED THE TWR TO CHANGE OUR EXITING TAXIWAY TO THE HIGHSPD INSTEAD OF ROLLING TO THE END. CTLR'S AT ORD HANDLE A LARGE VOLUME OF TFC, MAYBE TOO LARGE. AT VARIOUS TIMES (TWR, APCH AND GND), ARE SO BUSY TALKING THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE CLRNC. OCCASIONALLY THE CTLR IS TALKING CONTINUOUSLY TO SEVERAL ACFTS AT ONCE, MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT TO COPY AND VERIFY YOUR CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.