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Attributes | |
ACN | 212688 |
Time | |
Date | 199206 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ewr airport : teb |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other departure other enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 42 flight time total : 4600 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 212688 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departing runway 24 at teb. After liftoff we were cleared on a 280 degree heading to maintain 1500 ft MSL. Uneventful. We were further cleared to climb to 7000 ft on a northerly heading. We were then cleared direct to the first fix on the flight plan to begin our route, maintain 7000 ft. Out of 6000 ft, the altitude alerter sounded and I said to the captain 'out of 6000 for 7000.' my attention was diverted to our ONS system for what I perceived as an error in the heading for the fix we were cleared to. Aircraft was still in a climbing turn. The altitude alerter again sounded and I looked up to see our altitude up to 7600 ft. The captain immediately stopped the climb and proceeded to descend to 7000 ft. ATC remarked on the deviation. Aircraft was then leveled at 7000 ft and everything was fine. Next occurrence happened on approach to ord. We were being vectored for the approach to ILS 9R. Captain asked me to call FBO to check on transportation for passenger. I did so and was off approach frequency for a couple of mins. The last vector I responded to was a right turn to 270 degrees, maintain 5000 ft. While off frequency, the captain, communicating with ATC, set the altitude alerter and began a descent to 3000 ft, reducing airspeed at the same time. When I returned to approach frequency, the controller was complaining as to why we were not turning to a heading of 180 degrees. The captain said to tell him we were turning. The airspeed was at 180 KTS. The captain told me that he did not recall a clearance to turn to 180 degrees. He did say he was cleared to descend to 3000 ft and slow to 180 KTS. I don't know what the clearance was. Only the captain, controller, and the tapes know for sure. Approach and landing was uneventful. Solutions: problem #1: both pilots monitor last 1000 ft to clearance limit. Other problems are secondary. (Captain did not set flight director command properly. He fixated on V bars instead of scanning all instruments.) problem #2: no calls to FBO's so close to airport. To hell with what is on the ground. Let's get there first, safely and efficiently.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LTT COPLT RPTED 2 INCIDENTS ON 1 RPT REGARDING ACTIONS OF HIS CAPT. ON DEP FROM TEB, THE CAPT OVERSHOT HIS ALT WHILE THE COPLT WAS TRYING TO SOLVE AN ONS NAV PROBLEM. ON APCH TO ORD, THE CAPT DID NOT MAKE A VECTOR TURN WHILE THE COPLT WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THE FBO ABOUT GND TRANSPORTATION.
Narrative: DEPARTING RWY 24 AT TEB. AFTER LIFTOFF WE WERE CLRED ON A 280 DEG HDG TO MAINTAIN 1500 FT MSL. UNEVENTFUL. WE WERE FURTHER CLRED TO CLB TO 7000 FT ON A NORTHERLY HDG. WE WERE THEN CLRED DIRECT TO THE FIRST FIX ON THE FLT PLAN TO BEGIN OUR RTE, MAINTAIN 7000 FT. OUT OF 6000 FT, THE ALT ALERTER SOUNDED AND I SAID TO THE CAPT 'OUT OF 6000 FOR 7000.' MY ATTN WAS DIVERTED TO OUR ONS SYS FOR WHAT I PERCEIVED AS AN ERROR IN THE HDG FOR THE FIX WE WERE CLRED TO. ACFT WAS STILL IN A CLBING TURN. THE ALT ALERTER AGAIN SOUNDED AND I LOOKED UP TO SEE OUR ALT UP TO 7600 FT. THE CAPT IMMEDIATELY STOPPED THE CLB AND PROCEEDED TO DSND TO 7000 FT. ATC REMARKED ON THE DEV. ACFT WAS THEN LEVELED AT 7000 FT AND EVERYTHING WAS FINE. NEXT OCCURRENCE HAPPENED ON APCH TO ORD. WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR THE APCH TO ILS 9R. CAPT ASKED ME TO CALL FBO TO CHK ON TRANSPORTATION FOR PAX. I DID SO AND WAS OFF APCH FREQ FOR A COUPLE OF MINS. THE LAST VECTOR I RESPONDED TO WAS A R TURN TO 270 DEGS, MAINTAIN 5000 FT. WHILE OFF FREQ, THE CAPT, COMMUNICATING WITH ATC, SET THE ALT ALERTER AND BEGAN A DSCNT TO 3000 FT, REDUCING AIRSPD AT THE SAME TIME. WHEN I RETURNED TO APCH FREQ, THE CTLR WAS COMPLAINING AS TO WHY WE WERE NOT TURNING TO A HDG OF 180 DEGS. THE CAPT SAID TO TELL HIM WE WERE TURNING. THE AIRSPD WAS AT 180 KTS. THE CAPT TOLD ME THAT HE DID NOT RECALL A CLRNC TO TURN TO 180 DEGS. HE DID SAY HE WAS CLRED TO DSND TO 3000 FT AND SLOW TO 180 KTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CLRNC WAS. ONLY THE CAPT, CTLR, AND THE TAPES KNOW FOR SURE. APCH AND LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL. SOLUTIONS: PROBLEM #1: BOTH PLTS MONITOR LAST 1000 FT TO CLRNC LIMIT. OTHER PROBLEMS ARE SECONDARY. (CAPT DID NOT SET FLT DIRECTOR COMMAND PROPERLY. HE FIXATED ON V BARS INSTEAD OF SCANNING ALL INSTS.) PROBLEM #2: NO CALLS TO FBO'S SO CLOSE TO ARPT. TO HELL WITH WHAT IS ON THE GND. LET'S GET THERE FIRST, SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.