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Attributes | |
ACN | 215252 |
Time | |
Date | 199207 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 800 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : noise abatement |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5200 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 215252 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were departing dca with a full aircraft, passenger and fuel, at maximum weight for runway 36 dca. There were 2 cockpit riders, 1 was the FAA on a line check. On following the procedure (noise abatement) 10-4, with the copilot flying, we reached the 3.0 DME point prior to the 800 ft point. This means he had to reduce power to 1.6 before getting the flaps up to 15 degrees from 25 degrees. From this point the copilot had difficulty in getting the aircraft to climb to 800 ft and accelerate to min maneuvering speed to allow him to retract the flaps to 15 degrees. Once he had the speed and the flaps to 15 degrees, I stopped watching up front and paid attention to my panel for a few seconds as the airspeed started to increase. My pressurization system was deferred inoperative in the automatic mode. This required some monitoring. As I listened for the normal flap retraction callouts in the cleanup process, the stick shaker rattled twice. It was so short, it was over by the time my head turned. We were at 180 KTS, 10 degrees nose up, but I did not look at the flap position. Discussing it later with the crew the impression was we were between flaps 5 degrees to 2 degrees. The flight proceeded without incident. There was some light turbulence in the area. I may have been more able to observe the 2 pilots had I not had the extra workload on my panel. It appears that when things start to add up the potential for an incident increases.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT HAS STICK SHAKER ACTIVATE BRIEFLY WHILE ACCELERATING ACFT TO SPD WHICH ALLOWED FLAP RETRACTION.
Narrative: WE WERE DEPARTING DCA WITH A FULL ACFT, PAX AND FUEL, AT MAX WT FOR RWY 36 DCA. THERE WERE 2 COCKPIT RIDERS, 1 WAS THE FAA ON A LINE CHK. ON FOLLOWING THE PROC (NOISE ABATEMENT) 10-4, WITH THE COPLT FLYING, WE REACHED THE 3.0 DME POINT PRIOR TO THE 800 FT POINT. THIS MEANS HE HAD TO REDUCE PWR TO 1.6 BEFORE GETTING THE FLAPS UP TO 15 DEGS FROM 25 DEGS. FROM THIS POINT THE COPLT HAD DIFFICULTY IN GETTING THE ACFT TO CLB TO 800 FT AND ACCELERATE TO MIN MANEUVERING SPD TO ALLOW HIM TO RETRACT THE FLAPS TO 15 DEGS. ONCE HE HAD THE SPD AND THE FLAPS TO 15 DEGS, I STOPPED WATCHING UP FRONT AND PAID ATTN TO MY PANEL FOR A FEW SECONDS AS THE AIRSPD STARTED TO INCREASE. MY PRESSURIZATION SYS WAS DEFERRED INOP IN THE AUTO MODE. THIS REQUIRED SOME MONITORING. AS I LISTENED FOR THE NORMAL FLAP RETRACTION CALLOUTS IN THE CLEANUP PROCESS, THE STICK SHAKER RATTLED TWICE. IT WAS SO SHORT, IT WAS OVER BY THE TIME MY HEAD TURNED. WE WERE AT 180 KTS, 10 DEGS NOSE UP, BUT I DID NOT LOOK AT THE FLAP POS. DISCUSSING IT LATER WITH THE CREW THE IMPRESSION WAS WE WERE BTWN FLAPS 5 DEGS TO 2 DEGS. THE FLT PROCEEDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. THERE WAS SOME LIGHT TURB IN THE AREA. I MAY HAVE BEEN MORE ABLE TO OBSERVE THE 2 PLTS HAD I NOT HAD THE EXTRA WORKLOAD ON MY PANEL. IT APPEARS THAT WHEN THINGS START TO ADD UP THE POTENTIAL FOR AN INCIDENT INCREASES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.