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Attributes | |
ACN | 218409 |
Time | |
Date | 199208 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tpa |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 500 agl bound upper : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : tpa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Heavy Transport |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 9700 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 218409 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Our flight was on a visual approach to runway 18R in ramp. We were final inbound and the tower controller had not yet cleared us to land. I assumed it was because of traffic landing in front of us. As this aircraft cleared the runway I asked for clearance. At that time, the controller cleared a heavy jet for takeoff on runway 18R. It was obvious the separation was insufficient so I told the controller we were going around and executing the missed approach. He immediately corrected my terminology and said it was a go around, not a missed approach. At that point, we got an RA from the aircraft taking off below us. Then, the controller came back and issued a left turn with an altitude of 2700 ft. (The standard missed approach is a right turn at 500 ft and altitude of 3000 ft.) I requested quick sequencing back to the airport. He complied with my request and we flew a normal approach to runway 18L. Several issues of importance: the controller used bad judgement by allowing the heavy jet to takeoff when we were on short final. His judgement was further impaired by the ensuing rude comment he made to me on the call to miss the approach. The obvious answer is that should have been either a) execute the published missed approach, B) give us an alternate plan. Instead he wasted valuable time correcting me (incorrectly) when the situation could have become a serious TCASII threat.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ON FINAL AT FAF REQUESTS LNDG CLRNC AS ACFT DEPARTS RWY. CTLR CLRS HVT FOR TKOF SAME RWY. ACR DECLARES GAR. GETS TCASII RA.
Narrative: OUR FLT WAS ON A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 18R IN RAMP. WE WERE FINAL INBOUND AND THE TWR CTLR HAD NOT YET CLRED US TO LAND. I ASSUMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF TFC LNDG IN FRONT OF US. AS THIS ACFT CLRED THE RWY I ASKED FOR CLRNC. AT THAT TIME, THE CTLR CLRED A HVY JET FOR TKOF ON RWY 18R. IT WAS OBVIOUS THE SEPARATION WAS INSUFFICIENT SO I TOLD THE CTLR WE WERE GOING AROUND AND EXECUTING THE MISSED APCH. HE IMMEDIATELY CORRECTED MY TERMINOLOGY AND SAID IT WAS A GAR, NOT A MISSED APCH. AT THAT POINT, WE GOT AN RA FROM THE ACFT TAKING OFF BELOW US. THEN, THE CTLR CAME BACK AND ISSUED A L TURN WITH AN ALT OF 2700 FT. (THE STANDARD MISSED APCH IS A R TURN AT 500 FT AND ALT OF 3000 FT.) I REQUESTED QUICK SEQUENCING BACK TO THE ARPT. HE COMPLIED WITH MY REQUEST AND WE FLEW A NORMAL APCH TO RWY 18L. SEVERAL ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE: THE CTLR USED BAD JUDGEMENT BY ALLOWING THE HVY JET TO TKOF WHEN WE WERE ON SHORT FINAL. HIS JUDGEMENT WAS FURTHER IMPAIRED BY THE ENSUING RUDE COMMENT HE MADE TO ME ON THE CALL TO MISS THE APCH. THE OBVIOUS ANSWER IS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EITHER A) EXECUTE THE PUBLISHED MISSED APCH, B) GIVE US AN ALTERNATE PLAN. INSTEAD HE WASTED VALUABLE TIME CORRECTING ME (INCORRECTLY) WHEN THE SITUATION COULD HAVE BECOME A SERIOUS TCASII THREAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.