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Attributes | |
ACN | 222182 |
Time | |
Date | 199209 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : ztl |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 222182 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared to cross 30 north atl at 14000. Crossed 30 north atl at 15000 level 14000 at 33 mi north. Contributing factors: late clearance by ATC, but not unreasonable and certainly in the window of what we all do -- just min time. Copilot was flying and had already switched to cha VOR. He initially mistook cha DME for atl DME and was not thinking he needed to hurry. As we were approaching the DME fix, I kept calling out 15 mi to go, 10 to go, 5 to go, etc. In retrospect, this was only confusing the first officer, as he was looking at cha DME. The whole thing really was due to poor communication, i.e., what I thought was not what he thought. We had been flying together all month so, in retrospect, I'm sure a degree of complacency existed. Lessons learned: better communication on my part, i.e., verbalize clrncs with the crew so we all understand, and perhaps a little less 'rope.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LGT MISSED ITS XING ALT ON DSCNT.
Narrative: CLRED TO CROSS 30 N ATL AT 14000. CROSSED 30 N ATL AT 15000 LEVEL 14000 AT 33 MI N. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: LATE CLRNC BY ATC, BUT NOT UNREASONABLE AND CERTAINLY IN THE WINDOW OF WHAT WE ALL DO -- JUST MIN TIME. COPLT WAS FLYING AND HAD ALREADY SWITCHED TO CHA VOR. HE INITIALLY MISTOOK CHA DME FOR ATL DME AND WAS NOT THINKING HE NEEDED TO HURRY. AS WE WERE APCHING THE DME FIX, I KEPT CALLING OUT 15 MI TO GO, 10 TO GO, 5 TO GO, ETC. IN RETROSPECT, THIS WAS ONLY CONFUSING THE FO, AS HE WAS LOOKING AT CHA DME. THE WHOLE THING REALLY WAS DUE TO POOR COM, I.E., WHAT I THOUGHT WAS NOT WHAT HE THOUGHT. WE HAD BEEN FLYING TOGETHER ALL MONTH SO, IN RETROSPECT, I'M SURE A DEG OF COMPLACENCY EXISTED. LESSONS LEARNED: BETTER COM ON MY PART, I.E., VERBALIZE CLRNCS WITH THE CREW SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND, AND PERHAPS A LITTLE LESS 'ROPE.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.