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Attributes | |
ACN | 223198 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 9d4 |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 150 agl bound upper : 150 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : anc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 223198 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 4300 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 223412 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At approximately XA00 hours on the sat of oct, I briefed X on a formation flight to docks airport which would include a low pass to the east side of the runway. Purpose of the flight was to attend the advertised fly/drive in. The circulars for the fly in did not specify that it was an air show. We completed the flight with me flying on the other aircraft's right wing. After the pass, we pulled up to pattern altitude and landed. After landing, I was approached by an FAA representative who asked for my credentials and stated that I was not on the air show waiver. Since it was not advertised as an air show, I had no idea that I needed a waiver. He further stated that we had violated the 'dead mans zone,' ie, 500 ft from the crowd barriers. I cannot attest to this since I was flying wing but our briefing was to fly the east side of the field from the runway and the crowd barriers were to the west side of the runway. I believe that, if an air show with waivers is to be done, then I believe it should be included in all posters that are distributed. Supplemental information from acn 223412. At about 150 ft off the ground I moved my aircraft over completely off the east side of the runway so that my partners aircraft would be able to remain the correct distance from the crowd. I remained at approximately 150 ft off the ground and he turned his wing under mine and we flew down the runway. He did not know an air show was going on as it was advertised as a fly-in and last year there had been no air show performed at this fly-in which I had attended. Also, we were the correct distance from the crowd in my estimation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TWO SMA'S MADE A LOW PASS AT AN 'AIR SHOW' WITHOUT BEING ON THE AIR SHOW WAIVER. THE EVENT WAS ADVERTISED AS A 'FLY-IN.'
Narrative: AT APPROX XA00 HRS ON THE SAT OF OCT, I BRIEFED X ON A FORMATION FLT TO DOCKS ARPT WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A LOW PASS TO THE E SIDE OF THE RWY. PURPOSE OF THE FLT WAS TO ATTEND THE ADVERTISED FLY/DRIVE IN. THE CIRCULARS FOR THE FLY IN DID NOT SPECIFY THAT IT WAS AN AIR SHOW. WE COMPLETED THE FLT WITH ME FLYING ON THE OTHER ACFT'S R WING. AFTER THE PASS, WE PULLED UP TO PATTERN ALT AND LANDED. AFTER LNDG, I WAS APCHED BY AN FAA REPRESENTATIVE WHO ASKED FOR MY CREDENTIALS AND STATED THAT I WAS NOT ON THE AIR SHOW WAIVER. SINCE IT WAS NOT ADVERTISED AS AN AIR SHOW, I HAD NO IDEA THAT I NEEDED A WAIVER. HE FURTHER STATED THAT WE HAD VIOLATED THE 'DEAD MANS ZONE,' IE, 500 FT FROM THE CROWD BARRIERS. I CANNOT ATTEST TO THIS SINCE I WAS FLYING WING BUT OUR BRIEFING WAS TO FLY THE E SIDE OF THE FIELD FROM THE RWY AND THE CROWD BARRIERS WERE TO THE W SIDE OF THE RWY. I BELIEVE THAT, IF AN AIR SHOW WITH WAIVERS IS TO BE DONE, THEN I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ALL POSTERS THAT ARE DISTRIBUTED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 223412. AT ABOUT 150 FT OFF THE GND I MOVED MY ACFT OVER COMPLETELY OFF THE E SIDE OF THE RWY SO THAT MY PARTNERS ACFT WOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN THE CORRECT DISTANCE FROM THE CROWD. I REMAINED AT APPROX 150 FT OFF THE GND AND HE TURNED HIS WING UNDER MINE AND WE FLEW DOWN THE RWY. HE DID NOT KNOW AN AIR SHOW WAS GOING ON AS IT WAS ADVERTISED AS A FLY-IN AND LAST YEAR THERE HAD BEEN NO AIR SHOW PERFORMED AT THIS FLY-IN WHICH I HAD ATTENDED. ALSO, WE WERE THE CORRECT DISTANCE FROM THE CROWD IN MY ESTIMATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.