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A widebody transport air carrier failed to keep up with all of the changes in clearance given to them on a STAR into lax, landing to the east.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 224312 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199210 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zla |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 29000 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 224312 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared to civet intersection, then cleared reeds 2 arrival lax. Crossed civet at 14000. Baset next intersection. ATC requested speed of 300 KTS and no slow. Asked about cross altitude of 10000 and speed. Speed 300 KTS and altitude 10000 is what we were led to believe. Then asked what our altitude was, reply 12000. Told to level off. Said we had not been cleared to 10000 ft. Approach was continued. No aircraft or incident in approach. Speeds were told to maintain higher than normal. 5 mi west of airport, asked if 7R was in sight. Impossible -- behind us. Turn back to airport and 60 degrees to runway. Cleared for approach. Altitudes and procedures are continually being changed and controllers forget instructions. Normal speed and dscnts are rare in busy times at lax.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A WDB ACR FAILED TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THE CHANGES IN CLRNC GIVEN TO THEM ON A STAR INTO LAX, LNDG TO THE E.
Narrative: CLRED TO CIVET INTXN, THEN CLRED REEDS 2 ARR LAX. CROSSED CIVET AT 14000. BASET NEXT INTXN. ATC REQUESTED SPD OF 300 KTS AND NO SLOW. ASKED ABOUT CROSS ALT OF 10000 AND SPD. SPD 300 KTS AND ALT 10000 IS WHAT WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE. THEN ASKED WHAT OUR ALT WAS, REPLY 12000. TOLD TO LEVEL OFF. SAID WE HAD NOT BEEN CLRED TO 10000 FT. APCH WAS CONTINUED. NO ACFT OR INCIDENT IN APCH. SPDS WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN HIGHER THAN NORMAL. 5 MI W OF ARPT, ASKED IF 7R WAS IN SIGHT. IMPOSSIBLE -- BEHIND US. TURN BACK TO ARPT AND 60 DEGS TO RWY. CLRED FOR APCH. ALTS AND PROCS ARE CONTINUALLY BEING CHANGED AND CTLRS FORGET INSTRUCTIONS. NORMAL SPD AND DSCNTS ARE RARE IN BUSY TIMES AT LAX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.