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Attributes | |
ACN | 224451 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : muc |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9700 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : muc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | controller military : 7 controller radar : 15 flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 9999 flight time type : 110 |
ASRS Report | 224451 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
International flight 40 NM west of muc (munich), germany, descending through 10000 ft MSL. We were notified by muc approach of traffic 12 O'clock, 7 mi. TCASII confirmed the traffic. Continuing our descent we received an RA about 3-4 NM from the other aircraft. Our altitude was about 9700 ft MSL, starting our level off to slow to 250 KTS. The TCASII directed us to steepen/increase our descent in excess of 2000 FPM, which we did, and as the other aircraft passed overhead, our TCASII showed his altitude. He passed approximately 400 ft directly over us. According to our TCASII (we were IMC). Muc approach only called us 1 time, when our traffic was 7 mi in front of us. It was very early in the am for us. We had flown all night and of course tired. I was flying the aircraft. Being tired it took a couple of extra seconds to interpret the TCASII symbology, and vsi instructions. I think muc erred, and TCASII prevented an accident. I have 1 other question. Is the separation criteria in germany/europe different than in the united states of america for descent below 10000 ft MSL or in europe FL100? Or, did TCASII err?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ARRIVING WDB IN IMC REACTS TO TCASII RA, TFC PASSES ABOUT 400 FT OVER THE TOP.
Narrative: INTL FLT 40 NM W OF MUC (MUNICH), GERMANY, DSNDING THROUGH 10000 FT MSL. WE WERE NOTIFIED BY MUC APCH OF TFC 12 O'CLOCK, 7 MI. TCASII CONFIRMED THE TFC. CONTINUING OUR DSCNT WE RECEIVED AN RA ABOUT 3-4 NM FROM THE OTHER ACFT. OUR ALT WAS ABOUT 9700 FT MSL, STARTING OUR LEVEL OFF TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. THE TCASII DIRECTED US TO STEEPEN/INCREASE OUR DSCNT IN EXCESS OF 2000 FPM, WHICH WE DID, AND AS THE OTHER ACFT PASSED OVERHEAD, OUR TCASII SHOWED HIS ALT. HE PASSED APPROX 400 FT DIRECTLY OVER US. ACCORDING TO OUR TCASII (WE WERE IMC). MUC APCH ONLY CALLED US 1 TIME, WHEN OUR TFC WAS 7 MI IN FRONT OF US. IT WAS VERY EARLY IN THE AM FOR US. WE HAD FLOWN ALL NIGHT AND OF COURSE TIRED. I WAS FLYING THE ACFT. BEING TIRED IT TOOK A COUPLE OF EXTRA SECONDS TO INTERPRET THE TCASII SYMBOLOGY, AND VSI INSTRUCTIONS. I THINK MUC ERRED, AND TCASII PREVENTED AN ACCIDENT. I HAVE 1 OTHER QUESTION. IS THE SEPARATION CRITERIA IN GERMANY/EUROPE DIFFERENT THAN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR DSCNT BELOW 10000 FT MSL OR IN EUROPE FL100? OR, DID TCASII ERR?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.