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Attributes | |
ACN | 224924 |
Time | |
Date | 199211 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 5100 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 224924 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were being vectored for a visual approach by la approach control. Initially at 5000 ft over smo VOR at a heading of 070 degrees for the downwind leg. About 4 mi past smo we were given 2500 ft and told to look for an air carrier medium large transport base to final for 24R. Both of us saw what we thought to be the correct aircraft and reported it in sight. We were then given a heading of 130 degrees and told the traffic was at 12 O'clock. Again, we both saw the same aircraft. We reported it and were cleared for the visual approach to 24R following the other aircraft. We switched to tower just as we were about to turn final. I think we were at 2000 ft at this point. The medium large transport pilot was the only one at this time to call out the conflict. He was at our 10-9 O'clock position when he saw us and at that point we saw him about 3000 ft away from us. We turned toward the airport (runway 24R) and the tower switched us to 24L. The medium large transport landed on 24R. What disturbs me most is no controller caught us cutting the medium large transport off until apparently he spoke up. When we were within 2 mi of the runway at the time. But a more subtle factor might have been our fatigue level. We had flown 8 legs already that day. The first two were both returns to lax for mechanic problems. We only had short 20 min breaks in all of this. I feel this may have contributed to us seeing the wrong aircraft and not catching it until later. Also the controller pointed out traffic at 12 O'clock when he clearly could not have been there for us to cut in front of him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LTT ACR NEARLY JOINED UP ON AN MLG ACR WHILE MAKING A NIGHT VISUAL APCH TO LAX.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR A VISUAL APCH BY LA APCH CTL. INITIALLY AT 5000 FT OVER SMO VOR AT A HDG OF 070 DEGS FOR THE DOWNWIND LEG. ABOUT 4 MI PAST SMO WE WERE GIVEN 2500 FT AND TOLD TO LOOK FOR AN ACR MLG BASE TO FINAL FOR 24R. BOTH OF US SAW WHAT WE THOUGHT TO BE THE CORRECT ACFT AND RPTED IT IN SIGHT. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A HDG OF 130 DEGS AND TOLD THE TFC WAS AT 12 O'CLOCK. AGAIN, WE BOTH SAW THE SAME ACFT. WE RPTED IT AND WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH TO 24R FOLLOWING THE OTHER ACFT. WE SWITCHED TO TWR JUST AS WE WERE ABOUT TO TURN FINAL. I THINK WE WERE AT 2000 FT AT THIS POINT. THE MLG PLT WAS THE ONLY ONE AT THIS TIME TO CALL OUT THE CONFLICT. HE WAS AT OUR 10-9 O'CLOCK POS WHEN HE SAW US AND AT THAT POINT WE SAW HIM ABOUT 3000 FT AWAY FROM US. WE TURNED TOWARD THE ARPT (RWY 24R) AND THE TWR SWITCHED US TO 24L. THE MLG LANDED ON 24R. WHAT DISTURBS ME MOST IS NO CTLR CAUGHT US CUTTING THE MLG OFF UNTIL APPARENTLY HE SPOKE UP. WHEN WE WERE WITHIN 2 MI OF THE RWY AT THE TIME. BUT A MORE SUBTLE FACTOR MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUR FATIGUE LEVEL. WE HAD FLOWN 8 LEGS ALREADY THAT DAY. THE FIRST TWO WERE BOTH RETURNS TO LAX FOR MECH PROBLEMS. WE ONLY HAD SHORT 20 MIN BREAKS IN ALL OF THIS. I FEEL THIS MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO US SEEING THE WRONG ACFT AND NOT CATCHING IT UNTIL LATER. ALSO THE CTLR POINTED OUT TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK WHEN HE CLRLY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR US TO CUT IN FRONT OF HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.