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Attributes | |
ACN | 225200 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 225200 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The clearance to taxi situation at dtw metropolitan airport needs clarification: the aim states when you are cleared to the runway in question, you are cleared to cross all taxiways to the hold short line for the intended runway used for takeoff. Dtw has issued a 10-8 plate to supersede the aim, stating that you must contact another ground controller to use the east runways (21L and 21C) and also don't taxi passed the c-concourse without contacting the east ground controller. The definition of passing the c-concourse is 'very' poor and should be further and fully illustrated as to your (our) present position. The circumventing of the aim is a violation of basic aviation skills and applications. Please bring the pressure toward the FAA and dtw airport to change the taxi procedure!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PLT DISPUTES THE LEGALITY OF THE TAXI PROCS AT DTW.
Narrative: THE CLRNC TO TAXI SITUATION AT DTW METRO ARPT NEEDS CLARIFICATION: THE AIM STATES WHEN YOU ARE CLRED TO THE RWY IN QUESTION, YOU ARE CLRED TO CROSS ALL TAXIWAYS TO THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR THE INTENDED RWY USED FOR TKOF. DTW HAS ISSUED A 10-8 PLATE TO SUPERSEDE THE AIM, STATING THAT YOU MUST CONTACT ANOTHER GND CTLR TO USE THE E RWYS (21L AND 21C) AND ALSO DON'T TAXI PASSED THE C-CONCOURSE WITHOUT CONTACTING THE E GND CTLR. THE DEFINITION OF PASSING THE C-CONCOURSE IS 'VERY' POOR AND SHOULD BE FURTHER AND FULLY ILLUSTRATED AS TO YOUR (OUR) PRESENT POS. THE CIRCUMVENTING OF THE AIM IS A VIOLATION OF BASIC AVIATION SKILLS AND APPLICATIONS. PLEASE BRING THE PRESSURE TOWARD THE FAA AND DTW ARPT TO CHANGE THE TAXI PROC!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.