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Attributes | |
ACN | 232046 |
Time | |
Date | 199301 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 232046 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Night time departure out of jfk. Initial altitude 3000 ft sbound. On handoff from jfk tower to ny departure, we were flying bette 1 with a canarsie climb. Departure control had a stuck microphone on the main frequency. Tower gave me a new frequency. No one would answer me, and when they finally did all I got was standby. In the middle of this TCASII gives us an immediate climb command followed by a descend command and another climb command. We finally settled at 5000 ft without a clearance and still no instructions from ATC. The only thing that prevented total disaster was the fact that we had a third pilot for the trip. He spotted the airplane while the captain was flying and I was working the radios. We need another set of eyes in the cockpit in and out of busy airports. Even if it's one of the flight attendants from the regular crew. 2 pilot crews are unsafe!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STUCK MIKE CREATES FREQ CONGESTION. FREQ CHANGE BRINGS STANDBY. TCASII RA.
Narrative: NIGHT TIME DEP OUT OF JFK. INITIAL ALT 3000 FT SBOUND. ON HDOF FROM JFK TWR TO NY DEP, WE WERE FLYING BETTE 1 WITH A CANARSIE CLB. DEP CTL HAD A STUCK MIKE ON THE MAIN FREQ. TWR GAVE ME A NEW FREQ. NO ONE WOULD ANSWER ME, AND WHEN THEY FINALLY DID ALL I GOT WAS STANDBY. IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS TCASII GIVES US AN IMMEDIATE CLB COMMAND FOLLOWED BY A DSND COMMAND AND ANOTHER CLB COMMAND. WE FINALLY SETTLED AT 5000 FT WITHOUT A CLRNC AND STILL NO INSTRUCTIONS FROM ATC. THE ONLY THING THAT PREVENTED TOTAL DISASTER WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD A THIRD PLT FOR THE TRIP. HE SPOTTED THE AIRPLANE WHILE THE CAPT WAS FLYING AND I WAS WORKING THE RADIOS. WE NEED ANOTHER SET OF EYES IN THE COCKPIT IN AND OUT OF BUSY ARPTS. EVEN IF IT'S ONE OF THE FLT ATTENDANTS FROM THE REGULAR CREW. 2 PLT CREWS ARE UNSAFE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.