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Attributes | |
ACN | 232879 |
Time | |
Date | 199302 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7350 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zzz |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 232879 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
First officer was flying. We were given a climb to 7000 ft MSL. First officer was hand-flying and was looking at his altimeter which was still set to afl setting (above field level). He failed to look at the center altimeter which is set to MSL altimeter setting. His altimeter would read approximately 440 ft lower than center altimeter. I called out 7000 ft and noticed he was still in a climb. When correction was made, the altitude was 7350 ft and we went back down to 7000 ft. TCASII did not indicate any traffic conflict. I personally feel that having first officer's altimeter set to zero for takeoff as per air carrier procedures causes excessive scanning to the center altimeter especially at low altitude level off. Ok for captain's altimeter since center altimeter is next to captain's altimeter. Had the first officer followed his command bars it would not have occurred. I doubt air carrier procedures will ever be changed until a serious near miss occurs or an in-flight collision occurs. I am a new captain with only 50 hours under my belt as PIC. I was doing after takeoff climb checklist at the time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG WITH ALTIMETERS SET TO QFE OVERSHOOTS ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: FO WAS FLYING. WE WERE GIVEN A CLB TO 7000 FT MSL. FO WAS HAND-FLYING AND WAS LOOKING AT HIS ALTIMETER WHICH WAS STILL SET TO AFL SETTING (ABOVE FIELD LEVEL). HE FAILED TO LOOK AT THE CTR ALTIMETER WHICH IS SET TO MSL ALTIMETER SETTING. HIS ALTIMETER WOULD READ APPROX 440 FT LOWER THAN CTR ALTIMETER. I CALLED OUT 7000 FT AND NOTICED HE WAS STILL IN A CLB. WHEN CORRECTION WAS MADE, THE ALT WAS 7350 FT AND WE WENT BACK DOWN TO 7000 FT. TCASII DID NOT INDICATE ANY TFC CONFLICT. I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT HAVING FO'S ALTIMETER SET TO ZERO FOR TKOF AS PER ACR PROCS CAUSES EXCESSIVE SCANNING TO THE CTR ALTIMETER ESPECIALLY AT LOW ALT LEVEL OFF. OK FOR CAPT'S ALTIMETER SINCE CTR ALTIMETER IS NEXT TO CAPT'S ALTIMETER. HAD THE FO FOLLOWED HIS COMMAND BARS IT WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED. I DOUBT ACR PROCS WILL EVER BE CHANGED UNTIL A SERIOUS NEAR MISS OCCURS OR AN INFLT COLLISION OCCURS. I AM A NEW CAPT WITH ONLY 50 HRS UNDER MY BELT AS PIC. I WAS DOING AFTER TKOF CLB CHKLIST AT THE TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.