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Attributes | |
ACN | 234307 |
Time | |
Date | 199302 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1100 msl bound upper : 1100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : jfk artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 18000 |
ASRS Report | 234307 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
The system allows staggered (less than 2 mi) approachs to runways 4L and 4F at jfk. Although this report is not about any rule infraction, it does illustrate a defect in the system of aircraft separation between heavy's and others. I have written a letter to the 'air traffic manager, ny TRACON' in hopes that this defect can be corrected. The tower supervisor suggested that I write you and relate this incident to you. He said most of his tower people read your reports, so it would be a good way to get the word out. I was the captain of an air carrier large transport as it approached jfk for landing. There was a ragged ceiling at about 1000 ft, good visibility, light snow, severe icing in the clouds and a wind out of the southeast at about 15 KTS. The ATIS reported an ILS to 4R and takeoffs on 4L. We were initially told we were to make an approach to 4R. Before we intercepted the localizer of 4R, we were told to change to 4L. My first officer requested our distance from the heavy ahead and the tower told us '6 mi.' at about the same time, the aircraft suddenly rolled unctlably and the autoplt was disconnected either by the violent maneuver or by the autoplt yoke disconnect switch hitting my hand as the yoke turned rapidly. My first reaction was that we encountered a windshear problem, but the wind readout did not indicate a change in the wind direction or velocity. It was illogical that wake turbulence from a heavy aircraft 6 mi ahead with such a crosswind would affect us, so that was discounted. Shortly thereafter, we received another sudden roll and then a third one a few seconds later. At this point, I decided to go around without really knowing what was causing the violent movements to the aircraft. The first officer at this time suggested that there might be a heavy making an approach to 4R that was a lot closer than 6 mi. We went around at about 800-1000 ft still in the clouds and not aware of any other aircraft except the heavy reported at 6 mi ahead (probably on the ground at this point). Another approach was made and an uneventful crosswind landing. The first officer called the tower to discuss the incident. At this time we found out that there was a heavy, unrpted to us, making an approach to 4R at the same time we were on 4L ILS and that he was at the legal minimum separation of 2 mi. Since we were downwind from the 4R localizer, the wind apparently was carrying the wake turbulence of the heavy making the approach to 4R over to the localizer of 4L and right in our path. This is the same as being 2 mi behind a heavy for the same runway if the wind were right down the runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LGT SUFFERED THROUGH WAKE TURB FOLLOWING A WDB. THE ACFT WERE ON STAGGERED APCHS, IN THE WX, TO RWYS 4L AND 4R AT JFK.
Narrative: THE SYS ALLOWS STAGGERED (LESS THAN 2 MI) APCHS TO RWYS 4L AND 4F AT JFK. ALTHOUGH THIS RPT IS NOT ABOUT ANY RULE INFRACTION, IT DOES ILLUSTRATE A DEFECT IN THE SYS OF ACFT SEPARATION BTWN HVY'S AND OTHERS. I HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER TO THE 'AIR TFC MGR, NY TRACON' IN HOPES THAT THIS DEFECT CAN BE CORRECTED. THE TWR SUPVR SUGGESTED THAT I WRITE YOU AND RELATE THIS INCIDENT TO YOU. HE SAID MOST OF HIS TWR PEOPLE READ YOUR RPTS, SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT. I WAS THE CAPT OF AN ACR LGT AS IT APCHED JFK FOR LNDG. THERE WAS A RAGGED CEILING AT ABOUT 1000 FT, GOOD VISIBILITY, LIGHT SNOW, SEVERE ICING IN THE CLOUDS AND A WIND OUT OF THE SE AT ABOUT 15 KTS. THE ATIS RPTED AN ILS TO 4R AND TKOFS ON 4L. WE WERE INITIALLY TOLD WE WERE TO MAKE AN APCH TO 4R. BEFORE WE INTERCEPTED THE LOC OF 4R, WE WERE TOLD TO CHANGE TO 4L. MY FO REQUESTED OUR DISTANCE FROM THE HVY AHEAD AND THE TWR TOLD US '6 MI.' AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME, THE ACFT SUDDENLY ROLLED UNCTLABLY AND THE AUTOPLT WAS DISCONNECTED EITHER BY THE VIOLENT MANEUVER OR BY THE AUTOPLT YOKE DISCONNECT SWITCH HITTING MY HAND AS THE YOKE TURNED RAPIDLY. MY FIRST REACTION WAS THAT WE ENCOUNTERED A WINDSHEAR PROB, BUT THE WIND READOUT DID NOT INDICATE A CHANGE IN THE WIND DIRECTION OR VELOCITY. IT WAS ILLOGICAL THAT WAKE TURB FROM A HVY ACFT 6 MI AHEAD WITH SUCH A XWIND WOULD AFFECT US, SO THAT WAS DISCOUNTED. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WE RECEIVED ANOTHER SUDDEN ROLL AND THEN A THIRD ONE A FEW SECONDS LATER. AT THIS POINT, I DECIDED TO GAR WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING WHAT WAS CAUSING THE VIOLENT MOVEMENTS TO THE ACFT. THE FO AT THIS TIME SUGGESTED THAT THERE MIGHT BE A HVY MAKING AN APCH TO 4R THAT WAS A LOT CLOSER THAN 6 MI. WE WENT AROUND AT ABOUT 800-1000 FT STILL IN THE CLOUDS AND NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER ACFT EXCEPT THE HVY RPTED AT 6 MI AHEAD (PROBABLY ON THE GND AT THIS POINT). ANOTHER APCH WAS MADE AND AN UNEVENTFUL XWIND LNDG. THE FO CALLED THE TWR TO DISCUSS THE INCIDENT. AT THIS TIME WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A HVY, UNRPTED TO US, MAKING AN APCH TO 4R AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE ON 4L ILS AND THAT HE WAS AT THE LEGAL MINIMUM SEPARATION OF 2 MI. SINCE WE WERE DOWNWIND FROM THE 4R LOC, THE WIND APPARENTLY WAS CARRYING THE WAKE TURB OF THE HVY MAKING THE APCH TO 4R OVER TO THE LOC OF 4L AND RIGHT IN OUR PATH. THIS IS THE SAME AS BEING 2 MI BEHIND A HVY FOR THE SAME RWY IF THE WIND WERE RIGHT DOWN THE RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.