Medium large transport flight crew given arrival using navaids that are inoperative.

Attributes
ACN	236717
Time
Date	199303
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : zbv
State Reference	FO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 22000 msl bound upper : 22000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	arrival other enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zma
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1080
ASRS Report	236717
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Aircraft departed mco for scheduled flight to miami. During climb out ZMA told us to standby for a rerte. ZMA had some type of radar outage and a line of thunderstorms between mco and mia. This line had several widely spaced moderate thunderstorms in it and it was not very long (40 mi) nor wide (15 mi). The amended clearance was to fly direct to the zbv VORTAC (bimini) junur, join the clami 1 arrival (included). There is bearing information to establish junur but no DME. Junur is determined by a radial or bearing off of andrew VOR or aew NDB -- neither were operational and my aircraft did not have FMC capability. Departing bimini on the 235 degree radial I tried to identify aew NDB. (No signal results in the ADF needle stowing at the 3 O'clock position.) flying the 235 degree radial plus this 90 degree stowed position of the ADF needle made me think I was getting bearing information (235 degrees plus 90 degrees = 325 degrees). We turned toward aew as I queried ZMA about the reliability of the NAVAID and why I was not getting an identifier. We were told aew was also inoperative and to turn to 180 degrees. From this point on the arrival to miami was uneventful and I was not told to give anyone a phone call. I don't think I should have been given a clearance to fly with both arrival navaids inoperative and my aircraft not FMC equipped.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MLG FLC GIVEN ARR USING NAVAIDS THAT ARE INOP.

Narrative: ACFT DEPARTED MCO FOR SCHEDULED FLT TO MIAMI. DURING CLBOUT ZMA TOLD US TO STANDBY FOR A RERTE. ZMA HAD SOME TYPE OF RADAR OUTAGE AND A LINE OF TSTMS BTWN MCO AND MIA. THIS LINE HAD SEVERAL WIDELY SPACED MODERATE TSTMS IN IT AND IT WAS NOT VERY LONG (40 MI) NOR WIDE (15 MI). THE AMENDED CLRNC WAS TO FLY DIRECT TO THE ZBV VORTAC (BIMINI) JUNUR, JOIN THE CLAMI 1 ARR (INCLUDED). THERE IS BEARING INFO TO ESTABLISH JUNUR BUT NO DME. JUNUR IS DETERMINED BY A RADIAL OR BEARING OFF OF ANDREW VOR OR AEW NDB -- NEITHER WERE OPERATIONAL AND MY ACFT DID NOT HAVE FMC CAPABILITY. DEPARTING BIMINI ON THE 235 DEG RADIAL I TRIED TO IDENT AEW NDB. (NO SIGNAL RESULTS IN THE ADF NEEDLE STOWING AT THE 3 O'CLOCK POS.) FLYING THE 235 DEG RADIAL PLUS THIS 90 DEG STOWED POS OF THE ADF NEEDLE MADE ME THINK I WAS GETTING BEARING INFO (235 DEGS PLUS 90 DEGS = 325 DEGS). WE TURNED TOWARD AEW AS I QUERIED ZMA ABOUT THE RELIABILITY OF THE NAVAID AND WHY I WAS NOT GETTING AN IDENTIFIER. WE WERE TOLD AEW WAS ALSO INOP AND TO TURN TO 180 DEGS. FROM THIS POINT ON THE ARR TO MIAMI WAS UNEVENTFUL AND I WAS NOT TOLD TO GIVE ANYONE A PHONE CALL. I DON'T THINK I SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A CLRNC TO FLY WITH BOTH ARR NAVAIDS INOP AND MY ACFT NOT FMC EQUIPPED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.