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Attributes | |
ACN | 240721 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 240721 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Air carrier X cleared to land runway 33 to hold short of runway 36. Standard STOL clrncs (see diagram). Air carrier Y landing runway 36 told to turn short of runway 33 or go to the end. Air carrier Y turned off on runway 33 -- beyond our hold short point, just as we entered the flare. We landed. Taxiing in we were asked to call the tower. The tower told me that I should have gone around, because their paper says that they can't allow us to land if there is any aircraft on runway 33, except actually at the intersection. This makes no sense to me, and our 'STOL operations' letter does not mention it. Think about it. We can land on runway 33 with the possibility of another aircraft going through the runway's 33/36 intersection at 130 KTS, but they cannot cross traffic (taxi) beyond the intersection, or have any aircraft anywhere on the runway 33 pavement beyond. As far as I am concerned, the FAA can have their annual picnic on the far part of runway 33 when we land to hold short, because it does not exist. Callback conversation with FAA quality assurance specialist revealed the following information: FAA region quality assurance specialist was contacted for an interpretation of the reporter's point that the runway is closed on the other side of an intersection when hold short procedure is used. The specialist stated the reporter is correct and if anyone was contacted for violation or clearance it should have been the pilot that turned down the runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR Y NON ADHERENCE TO ATC INSTRUCTION TURNED ON ACTIVE RWY. PLTDEV.
Narrative: ACR X CLRED TO LAND RWY 33 TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 36. STANDARD STOL CLRNCS (SEE DIAGRAM). ACR Y LNDG RWY 36 TOLD TO TURN SHORT OF RWY 33 OR GO TO THE END. ACR Y TURNED OFF ON RWY 33 -- BEYOND OUR HOLD SHORT POINT, JUST AS WE ENTERED THE FLARE. WE LANDED. TAXIING IN WE WERE ASKED TO CALL THE TWR. THE TWR TOLD ME THAT I SHOULD HAVE GONE AROUND, BECAUSE THEIR PAPER SAYS THAT THEY CAN'T ALLOW US TO LAND IF THERE IS ANY ACFT ON RWY 33, EXCEPT ACTUALLY AT THE INTXN. THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME, AND OUR 'STOL OPS' LETTER DOES NOT MENTION IT. THINK ABOUT IT. WE CAN LAND ON RWY 33 WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER ACFT GOING THROUGH THE RWY'S 33/36 INTXN AT 130 KTS, BUT THEY CANNOT CROSS TFC (TAXI) BEYOND THE INTXN, OR HAVE ANY ACFT ANYWHERE ON THE RWY 33 PAVEMENT BEYOND. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THE FAA CAN HAVE THEIR ANNUAL PICNIC ON THE FAR PART OF RWY 33 WHEN WE LAND TO HOLD SHORT, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH FAA QUALITY ASSURANCE SPECIALIST REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: FAA REGION QUALITY ASSURANCE SPECIALIST WAS CONTACTED FOR AN INTERP OF THE RPTR'S POINT THAT THE RWY IS CLOSED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AN INTXN WHEN HOLD SHORT PROC IS USED. THE SPECIALIST STATED THE RPTR IS CORRECT AND IF ANYONE WAS CONTACTED FOR VIOLATION OR CLRNC IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PLT THAT TURNED DOWN THE RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.