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Attributes | |
ACN | 245431 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 5 controller radar : 12 |
ASRS Report | 245431 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X northbound over runway 22R final, air carrier X departed runway 14L. No traffic from southeast to prevent air carrier X from paralleling runway 22R final and climbing to get above the final. I asked for a good rate of climb and it appeared air carrier X was executing the instruction. We used prearranged coordination for our climbs at ord, so it is necessary to insure climbs in large gaps so vertical is not necessary. Air carrier X is out of 3400 ft and above the 'a' traffic so I turned him to 340 degrees and work other aircraft. Air carrier Y was 7 mi in trail. Approximately 30-40 seconds later I looked back and air carrier X had stopped climbing or climbing at a much slower rate and turning at a very slow rate. I immediately issued a 290 degree heading and asked again for his best rate because air carrier Y was now 4 1/2 mi away at 5300 ft. The other controller involved calls traffic and turns air carrier Y to 200 degree heading. However, air carrier Y reported air carrier X in sight and instructs air carrier Y to maintain visual separation but I do not remember if I told mine that visual separation was being applied because I was busy with the rest of my traffic. Subsequent visual separation allowed for 3 mi, 600 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X POSSIBLE LTSS FROM ACR Y. POSSIBLE SYS ERROR.
Narrative: ACR X NBOUND OVER RWY 22R FINAL, ACR X DEPARTED RWY 14L. NO TFC FROM SE TO PREVENT ACR X FROM PARALLELING RWY 22R FINAL AND CLBING TO GET ABOVE THE FINAL. I ASKED FOR A GOOD RATE OF CLB AND IT APPEARED ACR X WAS EXECUTING THE INSTRUCTION. WE USED PREARRANGED COORD FOR OUR CLBS AT ORD, SO IT IS NECESSARY TO INSURE CLBS IN LARGE GAPS SO VERT IS NOT NECESSARY. ACR X IS OUT OF 3400 FT AND ABOVE THE 'A' TFC SO I TURNED HIM TO 340 DEGS AND WORK OTHER ACFT. ACR Y WAS 7 MI IN TRAIL. APPROX 30-40 SECONDS LATER I LOOKED BACK AND ACR X HAD STOPPED CLBING OR CLBING AT A MUCH SLOWER RATE AND TURNING AT A VERY SLOW RATE. I IMMEDIATELY ISSUED A 290 DEG HDG AND ASKED AGAIN FOR HIS BEST RATE BECAUSE ACR Y WAS NOW 4 1/2 MI AWAY AT 5300 FT. THE OTHER CTLR INVOLVED CALLS TFC AND TURNS ACR Y TO 200 DEG HDG. HOWEVER, ACR Y RPTED ACR X IN SIGHT AND INSTRUCTS ACR Y TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION BUT I DO NOT REMEMBER IF I TOLD MINE THAT VISUAL SEPARATION WAS BEING APPLIED BECAUSE I WAS BUSY WITH THE REST OF MY TFC. SUBSEQUENT VISUAL SEPARATION ALLOWED FOR 3 MI, 600 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.