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Attributes | |
ACN | 248157 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fnt airport : 6go |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2100 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : fnt |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 60 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 248157 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On my second cross country with my instructor we were to fly from lansing (capital city) to williams memorial which exists on the east side of the flint arsa. We were coming from the west and to land at williams memorial we chose to go through the arsa for the experience. All procedures and FARS were followed to williams memorial. After departing williams memorial we chose to stay below the arsa which began at 2100 ft. Near the edge of the arsa while my instructor was looking away I entered the arsa inadvertently to approximately 2200-2300 ft. My instructor noticed and thrust the controls down to get us out of the arsa as soon as possible. My instructor made the decision to evade the FAA in efforts to prevent a violation. We flew to several small uncontrolled airports without making any radio calls to anyone. Prior to this my instructor called the FSS to terminate our flight plan. When landing we would taxi back and then depart -- still without radio calls. At the last airport, before our destination, which was a grass strip in manchester called rossettie we stayed on the ground approximately 10 mins and departed with our transponder turned off. Then my instructor flew us about 300 ft AGL staying 500 ft horizontal from objects until we neared ann arbor which was our destination. Then my instructor climbed suddenly and turned the transponder on. When making the radio call to ann arbor my instructor used the call sign of an identical airplane, at the FBO we flew out of, that was under 100 hour inspection. My instructor also put the other tail number in logbook and just the airports we had planned to land at. My instructor's reasons for trying to avoid a violation are that my instructor's father had received a violation for entering an arsa by 1/2 mi while avoiding another airplane. If the FAA wasn't so strict about basic human error that has no effect on other traffic in the area, we would not have evaded the FAA and I would have learned a lot more on this flight about what I was supposed to. Also, why would my instructor get the violation if I was the one who made the error? While flying with an instructor for dual instruction I thought the student had the responsibility of flying the plane. Although the instructor is there to make sure things like this don't happen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STUDENT ON SECOND DUAL XCOUNTRY INADVERTENTLY ENTERED AN ARSA AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON MY SECOND XCOUNTRY WITH MY INSTRUCTOR WE WERE TO FLY FROM LANSING (CAPITAL CITY) TO WILLIAMS MEMORIAL WHICH EXISTS ON THE E SIDE OF THE FLINT ARSA. WE WERE COMING FROM THE W AND TO LAND AT WILLIAMS MEMORIAL WE CHOSE TO GO THROUGH THE ARSA FOR THE EXPERIENCE. ALL PROCS AND FARS WERE FOLLOWED TO WILLIAMS MEMORIAL. AFTER DEPARTING WILLIAMS MEMORIAL WE CHOSE TO STAY BELOW THE ARSA WHICH BEGAN AT 2100 FT. NEAR THE EDGE OF THE ARSA WHILE MY INSTRUCTOR WAS LOOKING AWAY I ENTERED THE ARSA INADVERTENTLY TO APPROX 2200-2300 FT. MY INSTRUCTOR NOTICED AND THRUST THE CTLS DOWN TO GET US OUT OF THE ARSA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. MY INSTRUCTOR MADE THE DECISION TO EVADE THE FAA IN EFFORTS TO PREVENT A VIOLATION. WE FLEW TO SEVERAL SMALL UNCTLED ARPTS WITHOUT MAKING ANY RADIO CALLS TO ANYONE. PRIOR TO THIS MY INSTRUCTOR CALLED THE FSS TO TERMINATE OUR FLT PLAN. WHEN LNDG WE WOULD TAXI BACK AND THEN DEPART -- STILL WITHOUT RADIO CALLS. AT THE LAST ARPT, BEFORE OUR DEST, WHICH WAS A GRASS STRIP IN MANCHESTER CALLED ROSSETTIE WE STAYED ON THE GND APPROX 10 MINS AND DEPARTED WITH OUR XPONDER TURNED OFF. THEN MY INSTRUCTOR FLEW US ABOUT 300 FT AGL STAYING 500 FT HORIZ FROM OBJECTS UNTIL WE NEARED ANN ARBOR WHICH WAS OUR DEST. THEN MY INSTRUCTOR CLBED SUDDENLY AND TURNED THE XPONDER ON. WHEN MAKING THE RADIO CALL TO ANN ARBOR MY INSTRUCTOR USED THE CALL SIGN OF AN IDENTICAL AIRPLANE, AT THE FBO WE FLEW OUT OF, THAT WAS UNDER 100 HR INSPECTION. MY INSTRUCTOR ALSO PUT THE OTHER TAIL NUMBER IN LOGBOOK AND JUST THE ARPTS WE HAD PLANNED TO LAND AT. MY INSTRUCTOR'S REASONS FOR TRYING TO AVOID A VIOLATION ARE THAT MY INSTRUCTOR'S FATHER HAD RECEIVED A VIOLATION FOR ENTERING AN ARSA BY 1/2 MI WHILE AVOIDING ANOTHER AIRPLANE. IF THE FAA WASN'T SO STRICT ABOUT BASIC HUMAN ERROR THAT HAS NO EFFECT ON OTHER TFC IN THE AREA, WE WOULD NOT HAVE EVADED THE FAA AND I WOULD HAVE LEARNED A LOT MORE ON THIS FLT ABOUT WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO. ALSO, WHY WOULD MY INSTRUCTOR GET THE VIOLATION IF I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE ERROR? WHILE FLYING WITH AN INSTRUCTOR FOR DUAL INSTRUCTION I THOUGHT THE STUDENT HAD THE RESPONSIBILITY OF FLYING THE PLANE. ALTHOUGH THE INSTRUCTOR IS THERE TO MAKE SURE THINGS LIKE THIS DON'T HAPPEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.