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Attributes | |
ACN | 248733 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : roa airport : rva |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1700 msl bound upper : 1800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : rva |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 248733 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 248737 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : regained aircraft control |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Lda to runway 6. Conditions at the field were low scud clouds in 2 mi visibility. Added to this was continuous moderate turbulence. We discovered later that the turbulence was so uncomfortable in the back of the aircraft even the flight attendants were physically sick. We saw the field at the missed approach point of 1.3 mi but were too high for a safe approach after having difficulty getting down. I told the first officer we were going around. I also indicated we had enough fuel remaining for several more approachs but would attempt only one more before going to the alternate. I could imagine what the passenger were feeling and did not want to subject them to any more discomfort. We were assigned to execute the standard missed approach procedure for runway 6. Our assigned altitude was 5000 ft. This was 500 ft above the IAF altitude. Because the pms was not engaging and knowing we saw the field at the missed approach point on the previous approach, I elected to brief and fly the hand flown non precision portion of the lda 6 approach. This was in hopes of getting to MDA as soon as possible, knowing we had a significant tailwind and turbulence to hinder us picking up the field the first time. Passing the IAF (again still at the missed approach assigned altitude of 5000 ft, 500 ft above the published IAF altitude) I initiated a 2000 FPM rate of descent to the step-down fix approximately 4.9 DME and at 2800 ft. Once inside the step-down I again initiated a 2000 FPM rate of descent to get down early to the MDA, now 1800 ft. At this time the 'terrain, terrain' alert, a 'wind shear' warning alert, and a call from tower for us to check our altitude all happened simultaneously. This was accompanied by a 15 KT loss of airspeed and the need for significant power application. At no time did I feel the aircraft was in danger, however, as the airspeed came back within a few seconds and the approach was still stabilized and no further warnings occurred. I elected to continue the approach. My thought was that the altitude alert system in the tower had predicted a premature touchdown point based upon our descent rate and airspeed setting off the alarm. At the time the tower notified us of the need to check our altitude the first officer noted we were within the step-down fix and still above the MDA, now 1800 ft. We felt we knew our position at that point and the warning was spurious. The turbulence was a significant factor, however. It was difficult to keep precise altitude control. For this reason it is possible we were plus or minus 100 ft of the MDA. We picked up the field at approximately 1.5 mi. An uneventful landing followed. In retrospect, I would have disconnected the autoplt before the first approach and hand flown the GS for a more precise approach after the pms disconnected. I instead attempted to use parts of usable equipment compensating with not every day use of manual pitch, override to create a mental and physical overload.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LOW ALT WARNING WAS GIVEN TO THE FLC OF AN MLG ACR ACFT DURING THE SECOND INST APCH IN HVY TURB BY THE ACFT GND PROX SYS AND THE TWR CTLR.
Narrative: LDA TO RWY 6. CONDITIONS AT THE FIELD WERE LOW SCUD CLOUDS IN 2 MI VISIBILITY. ADDED TO THIS WAS CONTINUOUS MODERATE TURB. WE DISCOVERED LATER THAT THE TURB WAS SO UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE BACK OF THE ACFT EVEN THE FLT ATTENDANTS WERE PHYSICALLY SICK. WE SAW THE FIELD AT THE MISSED APCH POINT OF 1.3 MI BUT WERE TOO HIGH FOR A SAFE APCH AFTER HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING DOWN. I TOLD THE FO WE WERE GOING AROUND. I ALSO INDICATED WE HAD ENOUGH FUEL REMAINING FOR SEVERAL MORE APCHS BUT WOULD ATTEMPT ONLY ONE MORE BEFORE GOING TO THE ALTERNATE. I COULD IMAGINE WHAT THE PAX WERE FEELING AND DID NOT WANT TO SUBJECT THEM TO ANY MORE DISCOMFORT. WE WERE ASSIGNED TO EXECUTE THE STANDARD MISSED APCH PROC FOR RWY 6. OUR ASSIGNED ALT WAS 5000 FT. THIS WAS 500 FT ABOVE THE IAF ALT. BECAUSE THE PMS WAS NOT ENGAGING AND KNOWING WE SAW THE FIELD AT THE MISSED APCH POINT ON THE PREVIOUS APCH, I ELECTED TO BRIEF AND FLY THE HAND FLOWN NON PRECISION PORTION OF THE LDA 6 APCH. THIS WAS IN HOPES OF GETTING TO MDA ASAP, KNOWING WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT TAILWIND AND TURB TO HINDER US PICKING UP THE FIELD THE FIRST TIME. PASSING THE IAF (AGAIN STILL AT THE MISSED APCH ASSIGNED ALT OF 5000 FT, 500 FT ABOVE THE PUBLISHED IAF ALT) I INITIATED A 2000 FPM RATE OF DSCNT TO THE STEP-DOWN FIX APPROX 4.9 DME AND AT 2800 FT. ONCE INSIDE THE STEP-DOWN I AGAIN INITIATED A 2000 FPM RATE OF DSCNT TO GET DOWN EARLY TO THE MDA, NOW 1800 FT. AT THIS TIME THE 'TERRAIN, TERRAIN' ALERT, A 'WIND SHEAR' WARNING ALERT, AND A CALL FROM TWR FOR US TO CHK OUR ALT ALL HAPPENED SIMULTANEOUSLY. THIS WAS ACCOMPANIED BY A 15 KT LOSS OF AIRSPD AND THE NEED FOR SIGNIFICANT PWR APPLICATION. AT NO TIME DID I FEEL THE ACFT WAS IN DANGER, HOWEVER, AS THE AIRSPD CAME BACK WITHIN A FEW SECONDS AND THE APCH WAS STILL STABILIZED AND NO FURTHER WARNINGS OCCURRED. I ELECTED TO CONTINUE THE APCH. MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THE ALT ALERT SYS IN THE TWR HAD PREDICTED A PREMATURE TOUCHDOWN POINT BASED UPON OUR DSCNT RATE AND AIRSPD SETTING OFF THE ALARM. AT THE TIME THE TWR NOTIFIED US OF THE NEED TO CHK OUR ALT THE FO NOTED WE WERE WITHIN THE STEP-DOWN FIX AND STILL ABOVE THE MDA, NOW 1800 FT. WE FELT WE KNEW OUR POS AT THAT POINT AND THE WARNING WAS SPURIOUS. THE TURB WAS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR, HOWEVER. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO KEEP PRECISE ALT CTL. FOR THIS REASON IT IS POSSIBLE WE WERE PLUS OR MINUS 100 FT OF THE MDA. WE PICKED UP THE FIELD AT APPROX 1.5 MI. AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG FOLLOWED. IN RETROSPECT, I WOULD HAVE DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT BEFORE THE FIRST APCH AND HAND FLOWN THE GS FOR A MORE PRECISE APCH AFTER THE PMS DISCONNECTED. I INSTEAD ATTEMPTED TO USE PARTS OF USABLE EQUIP COMPENSATING WITH NOT EVERY DAY USE OF MANUAL PITCH, OVERRIDE TO CREATE A MENTAL AND PHYSICAL OVERLOAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.