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Attributes | |
ACN | 250103 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dgw airport : gcc |
State Reference | WY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 19000 msl bound upper : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v254 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 250103 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Departed gillette, wy. We were filed V254 to dgw on our way to den. Approximately 50 mi from gcc (half way between the vors) we switched both VOR receivers to dgw. Both HSI's indicated we needed about 1/2 DOT correction to the left. The first officer was flying, and he corrected a couple of degrees left until the HSI needle was centered. About 8 or 10 mins later, the center controller asked if we were filed V254. We replied that yes, we were. He then told us we were 5 mi left of the centerline. Since both our HSI needles were centered, we checked our chart to make sure we had the right radial. We did. We asked the controller to confirm that we should be tracking the 340 degree radial to dgw. He did not answer. Finally, we told him that we showed on course. He came back, sounding irritated, and told us to turn 15 degrees right and he would tell us when we were back on course. We complied. We then switched both radios back to gcc. We were now 85-90 mi from gcc. The radios now showed about 10 degrees difference between gcc and dgw. We notified the center controller of this fact, but he would not acknowledge our xmissions. After returning to den, 2 of our other capts who had heard the exchange on the radio told us they had had a lot of problems with dgw radials 'wandering' and were going to ask for alternate navaids to and from gillette in the future. I believe that the dgw VOR should be checked for reliability.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHILE TRACKING THE DGW 340 DEG RADIAL, LTT CREW ARE TOLD THEY ARE 5 MI E OF COURSE.
Narrative: DEPARTED GILLETTE, WY. WE WERE FILED V254 TO DGW ON OUR WAY TO DEN. APPROX 50 MI FROM GCC (HALF WAY BTWN THE VORS) WE SWITCHED BOTH VOR RECEIVERS TO DGW. BOTH HSI'S INDICATED WE NEEDED ABOUT 1/2 DOT CORRECTION TO THE L. THE FO WAS FLYING, AND HE CORRECTED A COUPLE OF DEGS L UNTIL THE HSI NEEDLE WAS CTRED. ABOUT 8 OR 10 MINS LATER, THE CTR CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE FILED V254. WE REPLIED THAT YES, WE WERE. HE THEN TOLD US WE WERE 5 MI L OF THE CTRLINE. SINCE BOTH OUR HSI NEEDLES WERE CTRED, WE CHKED OUR CHART TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE RIGHT RADIAL. WE DID. WE ASKED THE CTLR TO CONFIRM THAT WE SHOULD BE TRACKING THE 340 DEG RADIAL TO DGW. HE DID NOT ANSWER. FINALLY, WE TOLD HIM THAT WE SHOWED ON COURSE. HE CAME BACK, SOUNDING IRRITATED, AND TOLD US TO TURN 15 DEGS R AND HE WOULD TELL US WHEN WE WERE BACK ON COURSE. WE COMPLIED. WE THEN SWITCHED BOTH RADIOS BACK TO GCC. WE WERE NOW 85-90 MI FROM GCC. THE RADIOS NOW SHOWED ABOUT 10 DEGS DIFFERENCE BTWN GCC AND DGW. WE NOTIFIED THE CTR CTLR OF THIS FACT, BUT HE WOULD NOT ACKNOWLEDGE OUR XMISSIONS. AFTER RETURNING TO DEN, 2 OF OUR OTHER CAPTS WHO HAD HEARD THE EXCHANGE ON THE RADIO TOLD US THEY HAD HAD A LOT OF PROBS WITH DGW RADIALS 'WANDERING' AND WERE GOING TO ASK FOR ALTERNATE NAVAIDS TO AND FROM GILLETTE IN THE FUTURE. I BELIEVE THAT THE DGW VOR SHOULD BE CHKED FOR RELIABILITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.