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Attributes | |
ACN | 250782 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : iiu |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 18000 msl bound upper : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid artcc : zme tracon : bna tracon : bfl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 15000 |
ASRS Report | 250782 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
The hehaw arrival into nashville is an accident waiting to happen. Aircraft are forced to fly 90 mi below 18000 ft. Thus, you are basically VFR at 300 KTS. On the segment out of louisville you are headed southwest. You are looking into the afternoon sun and in to haze. There is no way to see a VFR aircraft or whatever. The problem appears to be that ZID will not give a discretionary descent because you next go to ZME, then to nashville approach. They are too inflexible to insure safety. If they keep forcing you to get down early, one day there will be a midair. You can bet the NTSB will find the probable cause as 'pilot failed to see and avoid VFR aircraft.' what a sick joke. The real cause is that the FAA designed a procedure which caused an accident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BNA ARRS ON THE HEHAW 3 STAR ARE DSNDED BELOW 18000 FT VERY EARLY, 90 MI OUT.
Narrative: THE HEHAW ARR INTO NASHVILLE IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. ACFT ARE FORCED TO FLY 90 MI BELOW 18000 FT. THUS, YOU ARE BASICALLY VFR AT 300 KTS. ON THE SEGMENT OUT OF LOUISVILLE YOU ARE HEADED SW. YOU ARE LOOKING INTO THE AFTERNOON SUN AND IN TO HAZE. THERE IS NO WAY TO SEE A VFR ACFT OR WHATEVER. THE PROB APPEARS TO BE THAT ZID WILL NOT GIVE A DISCRETIONARY DSCNT BECAUSE YOU NEXT GO TO ZME, THEN TO NASHVILLE APCH. THEY ARE TOO INFLEXIBLE TO INSURE SAFETY. IF THEY KEEP FORCING YOU TO GET DOWN EARLY, ONE DAY THERE WILL BE A MIDAIR. YOU CAN BET THE NTSB WILL FIND THE PROBABLE CAUSE AS 'PLT FAILED TO SEE AND AVOID VFR ACFT.' WHAT A SICK JOKE. THE REAL CAUSE IS THAT THE FAA DESIGNED A PROC WHICH CAUSED AN ACCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.