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Attributes | |
ACN | 252951 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : otg |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 10265 |
ASRS Report | 252951 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Listening to AWOS and contacting CTAF 122.8 of my intentions, and taxied toward takeoff runway. Upon taxiing past terminal area I again stated my intentions on CTAF. AWOS had given a no wind condition to very light, so I chose runway 11. Upon reaching the runup area and doing a complete pre-takeoff check, I again contacted CTAF, cleared for traffic and advised of departing said airport on runway 11. To this point we had heard no other traffic on CTAF. I pulled into position scanning for traffic. Seeing none, I began my takeoff roll. Just as I was about to rotate, low and behold, I spotted landing lights making a go around, at approximately 2500 ft ahead of us. This was a local air carrier. Thanks to a very alert crew, they had heard my transmission on CTAF and were making a go around, at which point I heard a crackle in our radio and another plane transmitting over CTAF of their intentions to land at a nearby airport. For some unknown reason I had not heard the air carrier transmitting a 10 mi final on 29, although the attendant at the flight terminal said she had heard both of our xmissions. Perhaps the air carrier planes should practice heeding to local traffic pattern entries a little closer, so as not to create this potential to happen. We instruct our students and local pilots to adhere to safety precautions and proper pattern entries etc, always wanting them to be aware of this type of occurrence. It is hard to explain why the acrs do not feel that they should operate by the same FARS as GA pilots do. One thing I learned from this is that one has to be ever so careful at an airport where acrs operate, for their times of arrival vary so much, from time to time. The pilots and crews are to be commended for their vigilance at the airports at which they operate. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states the acrs do not comply with non tower pattern procedure. Often they make a straight-in approach. He feels they just get complacent due to small amount of traffic. Feels they did not make any report as they know better and don't want trouble for themselves.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA ON TKOF ROLL SEES ACR LTT MAKE A GAR OVERHEAD.
Narrative: LISTENING TO AWOS AND CONTACTING CTAF 122.8 OF MY INTENTIONS, AND TAXIED TOWARD TKOF RWY. UPON TAXIING PAST TERMINAL AREA I AGAIN STATED MY INTENTIONS ON CTAF. AWOS HAD GIVEN A NO WIND CONDITION TO VERY LIGHT, SO I CHOSE RWY 11. UPON REACHING THE RUNUP AREA AND DOING A COMPLETE PRE-TKOF CHK, I AGAIN CONTACTED CTAF, CLRED FOR TFC AND ADVISED OF DEPARTING SAID ARPT ON RWY 11. TO THIS POINT WE HAD HEARD NO OTHER TFC ON CTAF. I PULLED INTO POS SCANNING FOR TFC. SEEING NONE, I BEGAN MY TKOF ROLL. JUST AS I WAS ABOUT TO ROTATE, LOW AND BEHOLD, I SPOTTED LNDG LIGHTS MAKING A GAR, AT APPROX 2500 FT AHEAD OF US. THIS WAS A LCL ACR. THANKS TO A VERY ALERT CREW, THEY HAD HEARD MY XMISSION ON CTAF AND WERE MAKING A GAR, AT WHICH POINT I HEARD A CRACKLE IN OUR RADIO AND ANOTHER PLANE XMITTING OVER CTAF OF THEIR INTENTIONS TO LAND AT A NEARBY ARPT. FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON I HAD NOT HEARD THE ACR XMITTING A 10 MI FINAL ON 29, ALTHOUGH THE ATTENDANT AT THE FLT TERMINAL SAID SHE HAD HEARD BOTH OF OUR XMISSIONS. PERHAPS THE ACR PLANES SHOULD PRACTICE HEEDING TO LCL TFC PATTERN ENTRIES A LITTLE CLOSER, SO AS NOT TO CREATE THIS POTENTIAL TO HAPPEN. WE INSTRUCT OUR STUDENTS AND LCL PLTS TO ADHERE TO SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AND PROPER PATTERN ENTRIES ETC, ALWAYS WANTING THEM TO BE AWARE OF THIS TYPE OF OCCURRENCE. IT IS HARD TO EXPLAIN WHY THE ACRS DO NOT FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD OPERATE BY THE SAME FARS AS GA PLTS DO. ONE THING I LEARNED FROM THIS IS THAT ONE HAS TO BE EVER SO CAREFUL AT AN ARPT WHERE ACRS OPERATE, FOR THEIR TIMES OF ARR VARY SO MUCH, FROM TIME TO TIME. THE PLTS AND CREWS ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR THEIR VIGILANCE AT THE ARPTS AT WHICH THEY OPERATE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THE ACRS DO NOT COMPLY WITH NON TWR PATTERN PROC. OFTEN THEY MAKE A STRAIGHT-IN APCH. HE FEELS THEY JUST GET COMPLACENT DUE TO SMALL AMOUNT OF TFC. FEELS THEY DID NOT MAKE ANY RPT AS THEY KNOW BETTER AND DON'T WANT TROUBLE FOR THEMSELVES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.