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Attributes | |
ACN | 256213 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 4200 |
ASRS Report | 256213 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 98 flight time total : 12200 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 256046 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
On ILS approach to runway 21L at detroit, mi. We were on the localizer level at 3000 ft in WX with a strong right crosswind, ice, and turbulence, waiting for GS intercept. Approach control was conducting simultaneous approachs to runway 21R. The captain noticed another aircraft to our right on the TCASII initially 300 ft higher. In a short time the aircraft appeared to be getting closer horizontally and 100 ft vertically. The captain felt very uncomfortable and elected to make a go around and added power and climbed to approximately 4000 ft. We informed approach and they said to maintain 3000 ft which was the published go around altitude. It took several radio calls to explain we left 3000 ft to avoid the other aircraft on TCASII and they finally cleared us to 4000 ft and sequenced us for another approach. In retrospect approach had not informed us of the other aircraft so close on simultaneous approach (even though we assumed he was, we didn't know he was on his localizer). For our part we could have taken slight evasive action while asking approach about the traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB MAKES MISSED APCH DUE TO SIGHTING ACFT ON TCASII CLOSING THEIR SEPARATION.
Narrative: ON ILS APCH TO RWY 21L AT DETROIT, MI. WE WERE ON THE LOC LEVEL AT 3000 FT IN WX WITH A STRONG R XWIND, ICE, AND TURB, WAITING FOR GS INTERCEPT. APCH CTL WAS CONDUCTING SIMULTANEOUS APCHS TO RWY 21R. THE CAPT NOTICED ANOTHER ACFT TO OUR R ON THE TCASII INITIALLY 300 FT HIGHER. IN A SHORT TIME THE ACFT APPEARED TO BE GETTING CLOSER HORIZLY AND 100 FT VERTICALLY. THE CAPT FELT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE AND ELECTED TO MAKE A GAR AND ADDED PWR AND CLBED TO APPROX 4000 FT. WE INFORMED APCH AND THEY SAID TO MAINTAIN 3000 FT WHICH WAS THE PUBLISHED GAR ALT. IT TOOK SEVERAL RADIO CALLS TO EXPLAIN WE LEFT 3000 FT TO AVOID THE OTHER ACFT ON TCASII AND THEY FINALLY CLRED US TO 4000 FT AND SEQUENCED US FOR ANOTHER APCH. IN RETROSPECT APCH HAD NOT INFORMED US OF THE OTHER ACFT SO CLOSE ON SIMULTANEOUS APCH (EVEN THOUGH WE ASSUMED HE WAS, WE DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS ON HIS LOC). FOR OUR PART WE COULD HAVE TAKEN SLIGHT EVASIVE ACTION WHILE ASKING APCH ABOUT THE TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.