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Attributes | |
ACN | 256689 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 980 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 256689 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time total : 500 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on a trip to cle with an instrument student. This student was close to being finished with the training and had about 500 hours total time. We landed in the morning and he left the FBO and returned prior to XA00. I waited the duration. It was a good IFR day with light drizzle and low ceilings with a good wind. We taxied from FBO via papa with a right turn onto lima going to runway 23L for takeoff. We did our runup at the lima/whiskey intersection and then proceeded forward to juliet. This was an unfamiliar airport and had asked the ground controller for progressive instructions to the runway. We contacted tower at juliet and they told us to taxi into position and hold on runway 23L. We pulled out thinking we were on runway 23L, when in actuality we were on runway 28. We were at the intersection of the 2 runways. I looked ahead and saw a sign that said runway 23L/5R confirming that we were on the correct runway. We were cleared for takeoff and proceeded down runway 28, but we thought we were on runway 23L, based on the sign. At about 500 ft AGL, I looked back through the glass window in back and knew that we had departed on the wrong runway based on visually seeing the runways from above. I called the tower to confirm this and they acknowledged that we had, but said it was no factor. The tower was quite calm about the whole thing and I'm glad because departing from the wrong runway in a busy TCA is bad news, especially if a violation could mean the end of my career. I was pretty disturbed about the whole incident because there could have been landing traffic on runway 23R, which could have resulted in a major accident. The intersection of runway 28/23L was very confusing to me. I have flown into hopkins one other time and lined up for takeoff on runway 28, thinking it was runway 23L. The tower caught our mistake that time and told us to taxi forward to runway 23L. I have a college degree from (college) and consider myself a safe instructor. I have never had any problems with violations or runway incursions. The only place that I have had a problem was at hopkins under this circumstance. I believe that the facility should change placement of the runway sign for runway 23L/5R, because if you mistake runway 28 for runway 23L/5R, the sign is clearly visible. This leads you to believe that you are on runway 23L/5R when you are on runway 28. The only other way to catch the mistake would have been to visually check my directional gyroscope with the runway heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR WITH STUDENT DEPARTS WRONG RWY.
Narrative: I WAS ON A TRIP TO CLE WITH AN INST STUDENT. THIS STUDENT WAS CLOSE TO BEING FINISHED WITH THE TRAINING AND HAD ABOUT 500 HRS TOTAL TIME. WE LANDED IN THE MORNING AND HE LEFT THE FBO AND RETURNED PRIOR TO XA00. I WAITED THE DURATION. IT WAS A GOOD IFR DAY WITH LIGHT DRIZZLE AND LOW CEILINGS WITH A GOOD WIND. WE TAXIED FROM FBO VIA PAPA WITH A R TURN ONTO LIMA GOING TO RWY 23L FOR TKOF. WE DID OUR RUNUP AT THE LIMA/WHISKEY INTXN AND THEN PROCEEDED FORWARD TO JULIET. THIS WAS AN UNFAMILIAR ARPT AND HAD ASKED THE GND CTLR FOR PROGRESSIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE RWY. WE CONTACTED TWR AT JULIET AND THEY TOLD US TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 23L. WE PULLED OUT THINKING WE WERE ON RWY 23L, WHEN IN ACTUALITY WE WERE ON RWY 28. WE WERE AT THE INTXN OF THE 2 RWYS. I LOOKED AHEAD AND SAW A SIGN THAT SAID RWY 23L/5R CONFIRMING THAT WE WERE ON THE CORRECT RWY. WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF AND PROCEEDED DOWN RWY 28, BUT WE THOUGHT WE WERE ON RWY 23L, BASED ON THE SIGN. AT ABOUT 500 FT AGL, I LOOKED BACK THROUGH THE GLASS WINDOW IN BACK AND KNEW THAT WE HAD DEPARTED ON THE WRONG RWY BASED ON VISUALLY SEEING THE RWYS FROM ABOVE. I CALLED THE TWR TO CONFIRM THIS AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE HAD, BUT SAID IT WAS NO FACTOR. THE TWR WAS QUITE CALM ABOUT THE WHOLE THING AND I'M GLAD BECAUSE DEPARTING FROM THE WRONG RWY IN A BUSY TCA IS BAD NEWS, ESPECIALLY IF A VIOLATION COULD MEAN THE END OF MY CAREER. I WAS PRETTY DISTURBED ABOUT THE WHOLE INCIDENT BECAUSE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN LNDG TFC ON RWY 23R, WHICH COULD HAVE RESULTED IN A MAJOR ACCIDENT. THE INTXN OF RWY 28/23L WAS VERY CONFUSING TO ME. I HAVE FLOWN INTO HOPKINS ONE OTHER TIME AND LINED UP FOR TKOF ON RWY 28, THINKING IT WAS RWY 23L. THE TWR CAUGHT OUR MISTAKE THAT TIME AND TOLD US TO TAXI FORWARD TO RWY 23L. I HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE FROM (COLLEGE) AND CONSIDER MYSELF A SAFE INSTRUCTOR. I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY PROBS WITH VIOLATIONS OR RWY INCURSIONS. THE ONLY PLACE THAT I HAVE HAD A PROB WAS AT HOPKINS UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. I BELIEVE THAT THE FACILITY SHOULD CHANGE PLACEMENT OF THE RWY SIGN FOR RWY 23L/5R, BECAUSE IF YOU MISTAKE RWY 28 FOR RWY 23L/5R, THE SIGN IS CLRLY VISIBLE. THIS LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE ON RWY 23L/5R WHEN YOU ARE ON RWY 28. THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO CATCH THE MISTAKE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO VISUALLY CHK MY DIRECTIONAL GYROSCOPE WITH THE RWY HDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.