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Attributes | |
ACN | 258112 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sju |
State Reference | PR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sju artcc : lfff |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Transport |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 265 flight time total : 5725 |
ASRS Report | 258112 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on route 6 inbound to sju. We had been given pilot's discretion 8000 ft to 6000 ft. At this point I noticed traffic at 3 O'clock converging at the same altitude on TCASII and visually. I began our descent and apparently the mlt did also. The TCASII gave an RA to not descend, so I turned left. The TCASII continued to give an RA to not turn and not descend. I rolled out to see the mlt beginning to make his evasive maneuver. Apparently he had just spotted us. Approach control never warned us of the converging traffic and TCASII RA's were impossible to fly and very confusing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MDT ON DSCNT HAS TCASII RA, SIGHTS VISUALLY.
Narrative: WE WERE ON RTE 6 INBOUND TO SJU. WE HAD BEEN GIVEN PLT'S DISCRETION 8000 FT TO 6000 FT. AT THIS POINT I NOTICED TFC AT 3 O'CLOCK CONVERGING AT THE SAME ALT ON TCASII AND VISUALLY. I BEGAN OUR DSCNT AND APPARENTLY THE MLT DID ALSO. THE TCASII GAVE AN RA TO NOT DSND, SO I TURNED L. THE TCASII CONTINUED TO GIVE AN RA TO NOT TURN AND NOT DSND. I ROLLED OUT TO SEE THE MLT BEGINNING TO MAKE HIS EVASIVE MANEUVER. APPARENTLY HE HAD JUST SPOTTED US. APCH CTL NEVER WARNED US OF THE CONVERGING TFC AND TCASII RA'S WERE IMPOSSIBLE TO FLY AND VERY CONFUSING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.