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Attributes | |
ACN | 259010 |
Time | |
Date | 199312 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : djb |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 6500 |
ASRS Report | 259000 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Narrative:
Our call sign was air carrier X. An air carrier Y was also on frequency. We were proceeding north to djb VOR at FL240 heading approximately 360 degrees. He did not say if this was an altitude, a heading, or a speed, but logically it was a speed assignment since we would begin our descent soon, and a 310 degree heading would take us off course. So I read back 'roger, air carrier X, 310 KTS.' a few seconds later, with some apparent urgency, he gave us a left turn to 270 degrees (a 90 degree turn off course). He also gave a turn to air carrier Y and then asked him to tighten his turn. The pilot of air carrier Y said they could turn no tighter. The controller gave further instructions to air carrier Y and the crew of air carrier Y, apparently referring to his TCASII display, said 'I don't think you want us to do that, you'll turn us right into him.' the controller changed his mind and agreed. He then cleared my flight direct to djb VOR. The captain of air carrier Y asked me to come up on company frequency. He stated that he thought the controller almost ran his flight into ours. We never got anything on our TCASII but he had someone on his. We both agreed that the controller probably got our call signs confused. Neither of us believed that we had made an error. Contributing to this is our airline's refusal to eliminate similar sounding call signs from its system. We counted 5 flight numbers all ending in '3' on frequency at the same time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATC INTERVENED AND SEPARATED 2 MLG ACR ACFT AT HIGH ALT DUE TO ATC CONFUSION OF SIMILAR SOUNDING ACFT NUMBERS.
Narrative: OUR CALL SIGN WAS ACR X. AN ACR Y WAS ALSO ON FREQ. WE WERE PROCEEDING N TO DJB VOR AT FL240 HDG APPROX 360 DEGS. HE DID NOT SAY IF THIS WAS AN ALT, A HDG, OR A SPD, BUT LOGICALLY IT WAS A SPD ASSIGNMENT SINCE WE WOULD BEGIN OUR DSCNT SOON, AND A 310 DEG HDG WOULD TAKE US OFF COURSE. SO I READ BACK 'ROGER, ACR X, 310 KTS.' A FEW SECONDS LATER, WITH SOME APPARENT URGENCY, HE GAVE US A L TURN TO 270 DEGS (A 90 DEG TURN OFF COURSE). HE ALSO GAVE A TURN TO ACR Y AND THEN ASKED HIM TO TIGHTEN HIS TURN. THE PLT OF ACR Y SAID THEY COULD TURN NO TIGHTER. THE CTLR GAVE FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS TO ACR Y AND THE CREW OF ACR Y, APPARENTLY REFERRING TO HIS TCASII DISPLAY, SAID 'I DON'T THINK YOU WANT US TO DO THAT, YOU'LL TURN US RIGHT INTO HIM.' THE CTLR CHANGED HIS MIND AND AGREED. HE THEN CLRED MY FLT DIRECT TO DJB VOR. THE CAPT OF ACR Y ASKED ME TO COME UP ON COMPANY FREQ. HE STATED THAT HE THOUGHT THE CTLR ALMOST RAN HIS FLT INTO OURS. WE NEVER GOT ANYTHING ON OUR TCASII BUT HE HAD SOMEONE ON HIS. WE BOTH AGREED THAT THE CTLR PROBABLY GOT OUR CALL SIGNS CONFUSED. NEITHER OF US BELIEVED THAT WE HAD MADE AN ERROR. CONTRIBUTING TO THIS IS OUR AIRLINE'S REFUSAL TO ELIMINATE SIMILAR SOUNDING CALL SIGNS FROM ITS SYS. WE COUNTED 5 FLT NUMBERS ALL ENDING IN '3' ON FREQ AT THE SAME TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.