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Attributes | |
ACN | 261370 |
Time | |
Date | 199401 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : scy |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : dfw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 9700 flight time type : 3600 |
ASRS Report | 261370 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time total : 14125 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 261129 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Inbound to dfw on the scurry arrival approaching seago intersection in a descent approaching 11000 ft, a TCASII advisory occurred on a target at 12 O'clock climbing. At 11200 ft the advisory switched to an RA commanding a climb greater then 200 FPM. We responded by climbing immediately to 12000 ft which coincided with conflict resolution. The target passed approximately 1 mi off the right side of our aircraft. Visual contact was never made. The minimum separation indicated by TCASII was 200 ft. During the event, the other aircraft was a light aircraft carrying parachute jumpers. He was in contact with dfw approach control. We did not receive any TA's prior to or during this event. When we advised ATC that we were climbing in response to a TCASII RA, the controller immediately queried the light aircraft about his altitude. The light aircraft said that he was at 10800 ft and was descending back down to his assigned altitude of 10500. Human factors consideration: flying regularly into dfw tends to lead a crew into the mode of expecting the dallas 'bump-up' phenomenon. TCASII TA's often occur in this area. We assumed initially that this particular TA was an aircraft on a dfw departure. Supplemental information from acn 261129: since the abnormal (a TA) is normal here, it can slow reaction time and or lull the pilot with a false sense of security. Since dfw departures are at 10000, I do not think it safe for skydivers jumping at 10500. Further, there should be no traffic at 10500 ft. Altimeter error or slightest altitude deviation gives unacceptable separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION IN FLC RESPONSE TO TCASII RA. RPTR COMPLAINS OF PARACHUTE JUMPING ACTIVITY IN PROX OF APCH RTE AND THE IMPROPER ALT USED BY THOSE JUMP ACFT.
Narrative: INBOUND TO DFW ON THE SCURRY ARR APCHING SEAGO INTXN IN A DSCNT APCHING 11000 FT, A TCASII ADVISORY OCCURRED ON A TARGET AT 12 O'CLOCK CLBING. AT 11200 FT THE ADVISORY SWITCHED TO AN RA COMMANDING A CLB GREATER THEN 200 FPM. WE RESPONDED BY CLBING IMMEDIATELY TO 12000 FT WHICH COINCIDED WITH CONFLICT RESOLUTION. THE TARGET PASSED APPROX 1 MI OFF THE R SIDE OF OUR ACFT. VISUAL CONTACT WAS NEVER MADE. THE MINIMUM SEPARATION INDICATED BY TCASII WAS 200 FT. DURING THE EVENT, THE OTHER ACFT WAS A LIGHT ACFT CARRYING PARACHUTE JUMPERS. HE WAS IN CONTACT WITH DFW APCH CTL. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY TA'S PRIOR TO OR DURING THIS EVENT. WHEN WE ADVISED ATC THAT WE WERE CLBING IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA, THE CTLR IMMEDIATELY QUERIED THE LIGHT ACFT ABOUT HIS ALT. THE LIGHT ACFT SAID THAT HE WAS AT 10800 FT AND WAS DSNDING BACK DOWN TO HIS ASSIGNED ALT OF 10500. HUMAN FACTORS CONSIDERATION: FLYING REGULARLY INTO DFW TENDS TO LEAD A CREW INTO THE MODE OF EXPECTING THE DALLAS 'BUMP-UP' PHENOMENON. TCASII TA'S OFTEN OCCUR IN THIS AREA. WE ASSUMED INITIALLY THAT THIS PARTICULAR TA WAS AN ACFT ON A DFW DEP. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 261129: SINCE THE ABNORMAL (A TA) IS NORMAL HERE, IT CAN SLOW REACTION TIME AND OR LULL THE PLT WITH A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY. SINCE DFW DEPS ARE AT 10000, I DO NOT THINK IT SAFE FOR SKYDIVERS JUMPING AT 10500. FURTHER, THERE SHOULD BE NO TFC AT 10500 FT. ALTIMETER ERROR OR SLIGHTEST ALTDEV GIVES UNACCEPTABLE SEPARATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.