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Attributes | |
ACN | 261898 |
Time | |
Date | 199401 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pwk |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord artcc : zma |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 261898 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 3850 flight time type : 5 |
ASRS Report | 261901 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We departed from the palwaukee airport using the palwaukee 2 departure. We were assigned a 290 degrees initial heading. After takeoff, the time until we were handed off to O'hare departure was longer than normal (the controller was busy). When we did get handed off, the next controller gave us an immediate right turn to 040 degrees. This was unusual. At that time he said we had traffic at 12 O'clock. There was a 737 aircraft about 2 or 3 mi ahead at that time. I think that when O'hare is using runway 14L and palwaukee is using runway 16 with a right turn on departure the handoff needs to be done in a more timely fashion. Normally it is a turn to a more northerly heading. This would help to stop this from occurring. The turn we were given to 040 degrees also seemed a bit unusual. Before we got to the new heading, we were assigned either a 360 degrees or 340 degrees heading from that point we continued on course. Supplemental information from acn 261901: on 1-X-94 I was advised by my chief pilot of impending investigation by the FAA concerning this situation. While I don't remember exact headings or altitudes, I do remember following and complying with ATC instructions. I think the problem stems from the initial heading on departure being assigned as a westerly heading. In a jet aircraft, it is difficult to remain within 1 NM of the airport after following out of the turn. I would recommend that all aircraft assigned the palwaukee 2 departure be assigned a more northerly heading initially. Additionally, there was no communication by ATC that would indicate that the traffic reported to us was in imminent danger of a near midair collision.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT ON SID HAD PROB WITH COM AND SOME CONFUSION WITH ASSIGNED HDGS TOWARD INBOUND TFC AT O'HARE.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED FROM THE PALWAUKEE ARPT USING THE PALWAUKEE 2 DEP. WE WERE ASSIGNED A 290 DEGS INITIAL HDG. AFTER TKOF, THE TIME UNTIL WE WERE HANDED OFF TO O'HARE DEP WAS LONGER THAN NORMAL (THE CTLR WAS BUSY). WHEN WE DID GET HANDED OFF, THE NEXT CTLR GAVE US AN IMMEDIATE R TURN TO 040 DEGS. THIS WAS UNUSUAL. AT THAT TIME HE SAID WE HAD TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK. THERE WAS A 737 ACFT ABOUT 2 OR 3 MI AHEAD AT THAT TIME. I THINK THAT WHEN O'HARE IS USING RWY 14L AND PALWAUKEE IS USING RWY 16 WITH A R TURN ON DEP THE HDOF NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION. NORMALLY IT IS A TURN TO A MORE NORTHERLY HDG. THIS WOULD HELP TO STOP THIS FROM OCCURRING. THE TURN WE WERE GIVEN TO 040 DEGS ALSO SEEMED A BIT UNUSUAL. BEFORE WE GOT TO THE NEW HDG, WE WERE ASSIGNED EITHER A 360 DEGS OR 340 DEGS HDG FROM THAT POINT WE CONTINUED ON COURSE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 261901: ON 1-X-94 I WAS ADVISED BY MY CHIEF PLT OF IMPENDING INVESTIGATION BY THE FAA CONCERNING THIS SIT. WHILE I DON'T REMEMBER EXACT HDGS OR ALTS, I DO REMEMBER FOLLOWING AND COMPLYING WITH ATC INSTRUCTIONS. I THINK THE PROB STEMS FROM THE INITIAL HDG ON DEP BEING ASSIGNED AS A WESTERLY HDG. IN A JET ACFT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO REMAIN WITHIN 1 NM OF THE ARPT AFTER FOLLOWING OUT OF THE TURN. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ALL ACFT ASSIGNED THE PALWAUKEE 2 DEP BE ASSIGNED A MORE NORTHERLY HDG INITIALLY. ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS NO COM BY ATC THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THE TFC RPTED TO US WAS IN IMMINENT DANGER OF A NMAC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.