Question of exceeding holdover time after deice.

Attributes
ACN	264487
Time
Date	199402
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : pvd
State Reference	RI
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 6000
ASRS Report	264487
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Weather
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Aircraft was deiced and taxied to runway 5 upon completion of holdover time, as per flight operations manual of company. Surfaces were inspected and found to be clear of contamination. Takeoff was completed and uneventful (after additional inspections of the representative surfaces). FAA was notified of a 'holdover' for deicing violation of company policy. The aircrew followed company procedures and policies to exacting detail and found the aircraft to be airworthy at the time of takeoff. No in-flight problems were noted by the aircrew. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states there was an FAA representative on the ramp who observed and timed the deicing procedure. He was not however aware of the company procedure which allows for an inspection of the surfaces to extend beyond that time limit. Reporter has spoken with local FAA representative at length. He cannot say if the matter will be carried any further.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: QUESTION OF EXCEEDING HOLDOVER TIME AFTER DEICE.

Narrative: ACFT WAS DEICED AND TAXIED TO RWY 5 UPON COMPLETION OF HOLDOVER TIME, AS PER FLT OPS MANUAL OF COMPANY. SURFACES WERE INSPECTED AND FOUND TO BE CLR OF CONTAMINATION. TKOF WAS COMPLETED AND UNEVENTFUL (AFTER ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS OF THE REPRESENTATIVE SURFACES). FAA WAS NOTIFIED OF A 'HOLDOVER' FOR DEICING VIOLATION OF COMPANY POLICY. THE AIRCREW FOLLOWED COMPANY PROCS AND POLICIES TO EXACTING DETAIL AND FOUND THE ACFT TO BE AIRWORTHY AT THE TIME OF TKOF. NO INFLT PROBS WERE NOTED BY THE AIRCREW. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THERE WAS AN FAA REPRESENTATIVE ON THE RAMP WHO OBSERVED AND TIMED THE DEICING PROC. HE WAS NOT HOWEVER AWARE OF THE COMPANY PROC WHICH ALLOWS FOR AN INSPECTION OF THE SURFACES TO EXTEND BEYOND THAT TIME LIMIT. RPTR HAS SPOKEN WITH LCL FAA REPRESENTATIVE AT LENGTH. HE CANNOT SAY IF THE MATTER WILL BE CARRIED ANY FURTHER.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.