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Attributes | |
ACN | 264651 |
Time | |
Date | 199402 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zse |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 264651 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 264653 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I arrived at the aircraft 50-55 mins prior to takeoff to do the preflight inspection. After completing the interior preflight in the cockpit, I walked to the aft of the aircraft to complete that portion of the preflight. In checking the wings for any ice/snow/frost from inside the cabin at the exit rows, I saw that there did not appear to be any ice/snow or frost. The wings looked clear and shiny to me. I then proceeded outside to perform my exterior inspection. I found the ramp to be wet (damp) but I don't recall that there was any rain falling (the ATIS reported 35 degrees, light rain with 5 mi visibility). I noticed that deicing/anti- icing fluid was dripping from the wing surfaces. This indicated to me that the airplane had been deiced/anti- iced by maintenance and I knew that, according to my operations manual, that when aircraft are deiced/anti-iced, that the deicing/anti-icing crews perform a post deicing/anti- icing check. My exterior walkaround did not indicate any presence of ice/frost or snow. This also included the underside of both wings, which I found to be wet -- but no indication of frost or ice. I returned to the cabin to continue to prepare for flight. I advised the captain that the aircraft had been de-iced and that I did not see any ice on the aircraft. Our pushback and engine start was normal. I did not have the interphone switch toggled up at all times as I was talking with ground control and company on the 2 VHF radios, so I did not hear all the interphone traffic between the captain and the ground crew. The captain turned engine anti-ice on for taxi. I do not recall if there was visible precipitation during our taxi out, but the windshield wipers were not used. It was my takeoff and all indications were normal. Shortly after takeoff, the cabin crew reported to the captain by interphone that they had heard a bang (I had no communication directly with the cabin crew -- I was flying the aircraft). All engine instruments were normal and there was no vibration in the throttles. At approximately 18000 ft, a slight split in the EPR's began to appear, which became as high as a .08 split. At approximately 25000 the right engine surged and a noticeable jolt was felt (this was the first indication to be reflected on the engine instruments) and the engine instruments reflected abnormalities. A return to sea was coordinated. After the right throttle had been retarded to a lower EPR, the engine operated normally at the reduced EPR setting and all engine indications were normal. An uneventful return and landing was accomplished. There is some speculation that there may have been ice ingestion into the right engine. Supplemental information from acn 264653: I asked the copilot how the wings looked. The first officer stated the wings were dry and clean on the bottom, and the wings had been de-iced. It is SOP in sea for maintenance personnel to deice and do the upper wing ice check. The captain of flight could not remember if the upper wing ice check was completed prior to pushback. After engine start, engine anti-ice was initiated. During climb out at approximately 1000 AGL, the flight attendant in jumpseat C rang the cockpit through the interphone and said she heard a loud bang. The copilot and I checked the engine gauges. Everything was normal. At approximately 8000 ft, I sent (jumpseat rider) from xyz airline, an md-80 copilot, back to investigate. Through the interphone he said the engines were out of sync. I matched up N1's and he said it sounded much better and was ok. At 17000 ft, I called sea maintenance to notify them EPR gauges were starting to split. It was reported from a mechanic the right engine sustained foreign object damage from ice ingestion. The proper procedures may have not been followed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RETURN LAND MANDATED AFTER POSSIBLE FOREIGN OBJECT INGESTION DAMAGE ICE IS MADE APPARENT.
Narrative: I ARRIVED AT THE ACFT 50-55 MINS PRIOR TO TKOF TO DO THE PREFLT INSPECTION. AFTER COMPLETING THE INTERIOR PREFLT IN THE COCKPIT, I WALKED TO THE AFT OF THE ACFT TO COMPLETE THAT PORTION OF THE PREFLT. IN CHKING THE WINGS FOR ANY ICE/SNOW/FROST FROM INSIDE THE CABIN AT THE EXIT ROWS, I SAW THAT THERE DID NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY ICE/SNOW OR FROST. THE WINGS LOOKED CLR AND SHINY TO ME. I THEN PROCEEDED OUTSIDE TO PERFORM MY EXTERIOR INSPECTION. I FOUND THE RAMP TO BE WET (DAMP) BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT THERE WAS ANY RAIN FALLING (THE ATIS RPTED 35 DEGS, LIGHT RAIN WITH 5 MI VISIBILITY). I NOTICED THAT DEICING/ANTI- ICING FLUID WAS DRIPPING FROM THE WING SURFACES. THIS INDICATED TO ME THAT THE AIRPLANE HAD BEEN DEICED/ANTI- ICED BY MAINT AND I KNEW THAT, ACCORDING TO MY OPS MANUAL, THAT WHEN ACFT ARE DEICED/ANTI-ICED, THAT THE DEICING/ANTI-ICING CREWS PERFORM A POST DEICING/ANTI- ICING CHK. MY EXTERIOR WALKAROUND DID NOT INDICATE ANY PRESENCE OF ICE/FROST OR SNOW. THIS ALSO INCLUDED THE UNDERSIDE OF BOTH WINGS, WHICH I FOUND TO BE WET -- BUT NO INDICATION OF FROST OR ICE. I RETURNED TO THE CABIN TO CONTINUE TO PREPARE FOR FLT. I ADVISED THE CAPT THAT THE ACFT HAD BEEN DE-ICED AND THAT I DID NOT SEE ANY ICE ON THE ACFT. OUR PUSHBACK AND ENG START WAS NORMAL. I DID NOT HAVE THE INTERPHONE SWITCH TOGGLED UP AT ALL TIMES AS I WAS TALKING WITH GND CTL AND COMPANY ON THE 2 VHF RADIOS, SO I DID NOT HEAR ALL THE INTERPHONE TFC BTWN THE CAPT AND THE GND CREW. THE CAPT TURNED ENG ANTI-ICE ON FOR TAXI. I DO NOT RECALL IF THERE WAS VISIBLE PRECIPITATION DURING OUR TAXI OUT, BUT THE WINDSHIELD WIPERS WERE NOT USED. IT WAS MY TKOF AND ALL INDICATIONS WERE NORMAL. SHORTLY AFTER TKOF, THE CABIN CREW RPTED TO THE CAPT BY INTERPHONE THAT THEY HAD HEARD A BANG (I HAD NO COM DIRECTLY WITH THE CABIN CREW -- I WAS FLYING THE ACFT). ALL ENG INSTS WERE NORMAL AND THERE WAS NO VIBRATION IN THE THROTTLES. AT APPROX 18000 FT, A SLIGHT SPLIT IN THE EPR'S BEGAN TO APPEAR, WHICH BECAME AS HIGH AS A .08 SPLIT. AT APPROX 25000 THE R ENG SURGED AND A NOTICEABLE JOLT WAS FELT (THIS WAS THE FIRST INDICATION TO BE REFLECTED ON THE ENG INSTS) AND THE ENG INSTS REFLECTED ABNORMALITIES. A RETURN TO SEA WAS COORDINATED. AFTER THE R THROTTLE HAD BEEN RETARDED TO A LOWER EPR, THE ENG OPERATED NORMALLY AT THE REDUCED EPR SETTING AND ALL ENG INDICATIONS WERE NORMAL. AN UNEVENTFUL RETURN AND LNDG WAS ACCOMPLISHED. THERE IS SOME SPECULATION THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ICE INGESTION INTO THE R ENG. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 264653: I ASKED THE COPLT HOW THE WINGS LOOKED. THE FO STATED THE WINGS WERE DRY AND CLEAN ON THE BOTTOM, AND THE WINGS HAD BEEN DE-ICED. IT IS SOP IN SEA FOR MAINT PERSONNEL TO DEICE AND DO THE UPPER WING ICE CHK. THE CAPT OF FLT COULD NOT REMEMBER IF THE UPPER WING ICE CHK WAS COMPLETED PRIOR TO PUSHBACK. AFTER ENG START, ENG ANTI-ICE WAS INITIATED. DURING CLBOUT AT APPROX 1000 AGL, THE FLT ATTENDANT IN JUMPSEAT C RANG THE COCKPIT THROUGH THE INTERPHONE AND SAID SHE HEARD A LOUD BANG. THE COPLT AND I CHKED THE ENG GAUGES. EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL. AT APPROX 8000 FT, I SENT (JUMPSEAT RIDER) FROM XYZ AIRLINE, AN MD-80 COPLT, BACK TO INVESTIGATE. THROUGH THE INTERPHONE HE SAID THE ENGS WERE OUT OF SYNC. I MATCHED UP N1'S AND HE SAID IT SOUNDED MUCH BETTER AND WAS OK. AT 17000 FT, I CALLED SEA MAINT TO NOTIFY THEM EPR GAUGES WERE STARTING TO SPLIT. IT WAS RPTED FROM A MECH THE R ENG SUSTAINED FOREIGN OBJECT DAMAGE FROM ICE INGESTION. THE PROPER PROCEDURES MAY HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.