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Attributes | |
ACN | 266229 |
Time | |
Date | 199403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jnu |
State Reference | AK |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6500 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zan |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 266229 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
We began the lda 2 runway 8 approach to juneau, ak, from IAF asort intersection inbound. We descended from 9000 ft to 6500 ft as per approach plate. ATC began discussing approach altitudes with my copilot, expressing concern we were below the designated altitude for this segment. I was busy with the approach, slowing the aircraft down, maintaining the power to keep the anti-ice system warm and trying to figure what ATC was talking about. I climbed back up to 9000 ft, my copilot said we were correct on the approach, but he was getting confused trying to monitor the approach plate, do the landing checklist, and discuss with ATC the procedures. ATC would not let up in their continuous discussion with us. I have been to juneau many times and am very familiar with this approach (if I hadn't been, we would have missed and held someplace to discuss it further). Therefore, I directed my copilot to tell ATC to be quiet and we would contact him on the ground. Our discussion on the ground revealed that a new approach plate had just gone into effect 1 week prior. This is a special plate not sent with normal revisions. The plate is sent to a different person at the 135 operator I work for, than where normal revisions are sent. Recommendation: need to send special plates with normal revisions or we need to have a better procedure on distributing special plates in a timely manner. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states the lda 2 approach is a special approach plate and pilot must be authority/authorized to use it. It requires special training into jnu airport. Reporter called and talked to ATC after the landing and learned about the new approach procedure. It was very distracting to have ATC talking to first officer who was not able to assist reporter as needed. Due to icing, power had to be kept up in order for deicing equipment to work properly. This required popping speed brakes and monitoring airspeed to maintain altitude and it was a 1-MAN cockpit. Not good.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIR TAXI ACFT DOES NOT HAVE NEW APCH PLATE WITH NEW PROC. DSNDS TOO LOW.
Narrative: WE BEGAN THE LDA 2 RWY 8 APCH TO JUNEAU, AK, FROM IAF ASORT INTXN INBOUND. WE DSNDED FROM 9000 FT TO 6500 FT AS PER APCH PLATE. ATC BEGAN DISCUSSING APCH ALTS WITH MY COPLT, EXPRESSING CONCERN WE WERE BELOW THE DESIGNATED ALT FOR THIS SEGMENT. I WAS BUSY WITH THE APCH, SLOWING THE ACFT DOWN, MAINTAINING THE PWR TO KEEP THE ANTI-ICE SYS WARM AND TRYING TO FIGURE WHAT ATC WAS TALKING ABOUT. I CLBED BACK UP TO 9000 FT, MY COPLT SAID WE WERE CORRECT ON THE APCH, BUT HE WAS GETTING CONFUSED TRYING TO MONITOR THE APCH PLATE, DO THE LNDG CHKLIST, AND DISCUSS WITH ATC THE PROCS. ATC WOULD NOT LET UP IN THEIR CONTINUOUS DISCUSSION WITH US. I HAVE BEEN TO JUNEAU MANY TIMES AND AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS APCH (IF I HADN'T BEEN, WE WOULD HAVE MISSED AND HELD SOMEPLACE TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER). THEREFORE, I DIRECTED MY COPLT TO TELL ATC TO BE QUIET AND WE WOULD CONTACT HIM ON THE GND. OUR DISCUSSION ON THE GND REVEALED THAT A NEW APCH PLATE HAD JUST GONE INTO EFFECT 1 WK PRIOR. THIS IS A SPECIAL PLATE NOT SENT WITH NORMAL REVISIONS. THE PLATE IS SENT TO A DIFFERENT PERSON AT THE 135 OPERATOR I WORK FOR, THAN WHERE NORMAL REVISIONS ARE SENT. RECOMMENDATION: NEED TO SEND SPECIAL PLATES WITH NORMAL REVISIONS OR WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER PROC ON DISTRIBUTING SPECIAL PLATES IN A TIMELY MANNER. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THE LDA 2 APCH IS A SPECIAL APCH PLATE AND PLT MUST BE AUTH TO USE IT. IT REQUIRES SPECIAL TRAINING INTO JNU ARPT. RPTR CALLED AND TALKED TO ATC AFTER THE LNDG AND LEARNED ABOUT THE NEW APCH PROC. IT WAS VERY DISTRACTING TO HAVE ATC TALKING TO FO WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO ASSIST RPTR AS NEEDED. DUE TO ICING, PWR HAD TO BE KEPT UP IN ORDER FOR DEICING EQUIP TO WORK PROPERLY. THIS REQUIRED POPPING SPD BRAKES AND MONITORING AIRSPD TO MAINTAIN ALT AND IT WAS A 1-MAN COCKPIT. NOT GOOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.