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Attributes | |
ACN | 266757 |
Time | |
Date | 199403 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : las |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : las |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | controller radar : 18 controller supervisory : 1 |
ASRS Report | 266757 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I issued air carrier X a descent clearance to 8000 ft MSL. As air carrier X approached las he came within 5 NM of small aircraft Y, a cessna 172, level at 7500 ft MSL. I passed traffic to X. No response was received from X. I reissued the traffic call and observed air carrier X descending through 7600 ft MSL. Air carrier X advised me that he had received an RA, and it commanded a descent. Air carrier X then descended through the altitude of Y and leveled at 7400 ft MSL. In a controled environment such as a class B airspace, the only thing a TCASII can do is cause confusion and trouble. Air carrier X and cessna Y came within 2 - 2 1/2 NM. No visual separation was used. TCASII in an advisory role would be ok. We don't need 2 controllers issuing conflicting instructions. It can only lead to disaster!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X TCASII RA NON ADHERENCE TO ATC CLRNC HAD LTSS FROM SMA Y IN TCA CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: I ISSUED ACR X A DSCNT CLRNC TO 8000 FT MSL. AS ACR X APCHED LAS HE CAME WITHIN 5 NM OF SMA Y, A CESSNA 172, LEVEL AT 7500 FT MSL. I PASSED TFC TO X. NO RESPONSE WAS RECEIVED FROM X. I REISSUED THE TFC CALL AND OBSERVED ACR X DSNDING THROUGH 7600 FT MSL. ACR X ADVISED ME THAT HE HAD RECEIVED AN RA, AND IT COMMANDED A DSCNT. ACR X THEN DSNDED THROUGH THE ALT OF Y AND LEVELED AT 7400 FT MSL. IN A CTLED ENVIRONMENT SUCH AS A CLASS B AIRSPACE, THE ONLY THING A TCASII CAN DO IS CAUSE CONFUSION AND TROUBLE. ACR X AND CESSNA Y CAME WITHIN 2 - 2 1/2 NM. NO VISUAL SEPARATION WAS USED. TCASII IN AN ADVISORY ROLE WOULD BE OK. WE DON'T NEED 2 CTLRS ISSUING CONFLICTING INSTRUCTIONS. IT CAN ONLY LEAD TO DISASTER!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.