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Attributes | |
ACN | 271798 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ind |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ind artcc : zoa |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 271798 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Ind approach was arriving jet traffic on runway 24R&left. Banner waiver from indianapolis speedway required 1500 ft AGL pattern over speedway putting us in close proximity to inbound corridor. A few airline capts commented on our close pattern. ATC asked banner pilots to drop to 1000 AGL to give clearance to jets. The airline capts still believed that the banner planes were a hazard. I believe criteria should be set up and published for all pilots to know what separation requirements are needed in VFR. Also flight waivers should take into consideration surrounding airspace. If the banner waiver didn't put additional restrictions on altitude a conflict or believed conflict would not have occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BANNER TOW ACFT SEEMS TOO CLOSE TO ACRS ON APCH.
Narrative: IND APCH WAS ARRIVING JET TFC ON RWY 24R&L. BANNER WAIVER FROM INDIANAPOLIS SPEEDWAY REQUIRED 1500 FT AGL PATTERN OVER SPEEDWAY PUTTING US IN CLOSE PROX TO INBOUND CORRIDOR. A FEW AIRLINE CAPTS COMMENTED ON OUR CLOSE PATTERN. ATC ASKED BANNER PLTS TO DROP TO 1000 AGL TO GIVE CLRNC TO JETS. THE AIRLINE CAPTS STILL BELIEVED THAT THE BANNER PLANES WERE A HAZARD. I BELIEVE CRITERIA SHOULD BE SET UP AND PUBLISHED FOR ALL PLTS TO KNOW WHAT SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS ARE NEEDED IN VFR. ALSO FLT WAIVERS SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SURROUNDING AIRSPACE. IF THE BANNER WAIVER DIDN'T PUT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON ALT A CONFLICT OR BELIEVED CONFLICT WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.