Aircraft did not clear runway when using taxiway.

Attributes
ACN	274339
Time
Date	199406
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : rnt
State Reference	WA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	VFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 925 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	274339
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified cockpit
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

After landing on runway 33 my student and I received instructions to 'contact ground on 121.6, and hold short of the ramp.' as we turned on to the exit taxiway I saw an airplane taxiing northbound that would be crossing our exit left to right. I had the controls and stopped short of the hold lines on the runway side , cleaned up the airplane and told my student to contact ground. When he did so the ground controller told us that we were supposed to cross the hold lines before stopping, and then contact ground. For sometime I'd been thinking that the usage of ramp in this instruction is ambiguous, researched it some, and meant to talk to the tower about it. Unfortunately I chose to talk to them now! Before researching the usage of 'ramp' I'd always cross the lines and then stop. The research and comments of other pilots primed me to stop before the lines this time. I realize that this was not the time or place to tell the ground controller that this usage of ramp was non-standard and not in the pilot-controller glossary. I was not professional. After completing my post flight briefing I learned that the tower had phoned my club to reiterate the meaning of their instructions. I went to the tower and talked to the controllers about this. I now know more about the local conditions that have led to this usage, and also know exactly what the controller's want. I've also arranged for the tower supervisor to be asked to write an article for our club newsletter on this subject. However, I still think using 'ramp' in this context is not clear. This usually happens when there is traffic on the taxiway that will be passing an exit area. When this is not the case, the instruction is usually 'contact ground 121.6, leaving the runway.' I think something like 'exit the runway, give way to x-bound traffic, and contact ground 121.6' would be better. (Somehow the fact that the txwys, up to the runway hold lines and the parking areas are non-movement areas is involved here. The ground controllers instructions on 121.6 are advisory only.) I think an ASRS article like 'taxi to' (no 159) would be a big help, if you have enough reports of similar insert sits.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACFT DID NOT CLR RWY WHEN USING TXWY.

Narrative: AFTER LNDG ON RWY 33 MY STUDENT AND I RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS TO 'CONTACT GND ON 121.6, AND HOLD SHORT OF THE RAMP.' AS WE TURNED ON TO THE EXIT TXWY I SAW AN AIRPLANE TAXIING NBOUND THAT WOULD BE XING OUR EXIT L TO R. I HAD THE CTLS AND STOPPED SHORT OF THE HOLD LINES ON THE RWY SIDE , CLEANED UP THE AIRPLANE AND TOLD MY STUDENT TO CONTACT GND. WHEN HE DID SO THE GND CTLR TOLD US THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CROSS THE HOLD LINES BEFORE STOPPING, AND THEN CONTACT GND. FOR SOMETIME I'D BEEN THINKING THAT THE USAGE OF RAMP IN THIS INSTRUCTION IS AMBIGUOUS, RESEARCHED IT SOME, AND MEANT TO TALK TO THE TWR ABOUT IT. UNFORTUNATELY I CHOSE TO TALK TO THEM NOW! BEFORE RESEARCHING THE USAGE OF 'RAMP' I'D ALWAYS CROSS THE LINES AND THEN STOP. THE RESEARCH AND COMMENTS OF OTHER PLTS PRIMED ME TO STOP BEFORE THE LINES THIS TIME. I REALIZE THAT THIS WAS NOT THE TIME OR PLACE TO TELL THE GND CTLR THAT THIS USAGE OF RAMP WAS NON-STANDARD AND NOT IN THE PLT-CTLR GLOSSARY. I WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL. AFTER COMPLETING MY POST FLT BRIEFING I LEARNED THAT THE TWR HAD PHONED MY CLUB TO REITERATE THE MEANING OF THEIR INSTRUCTIONS. I WENT TO THE TWR AND TALKED TO THE CTLRS ABOUT THIS. I NOW KNOW MORE ABOUT THE LCL CONDITIONS THAT HAVE LED TO THIS USAGE, AND ALSO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE CTLR'S WANT. I'VE ALSO ARRANGED FOR THE TWR SUPVR TO BE ASKED TO WRITE AN ARTICLE FOR OUR CLUB NEWSLETTER ON THIS SUBJECT. HOWEVER, I STILL THINK USING 'RAMP' IN THIS CONTEXT IS NOT CLR. THIS USUALLY HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS TFC ON THE TXWY THAT WILL BE PASSING AN EXIT AREA. WHEN THIS IS NOT THE CASE, THE INSTRUCTION IS USUALLY 'CONTACT GND 121.6, LEAVING THE RWY.' I THINK SOMETHING LIKE 'EXIT THE RWY, GIVE WAY TO X-BOUND TFC, AND CONTACT GND 121.6' WOULD BE BETTER. (SOMEHOW THE FACT THAT THE TXWYS, UP TO THE RWY HOLD LINES AND THE PARKING AREAS ARE NON-MOVEMENT AREAS IS INVOLVED HERE. THE GND CTLRS INSTRUCTIONS ON 121.6 ARE ADVISORY ONLY.) I THINK AN ASRS ARTICLE LIKE 'TAXI TO' (NO 159) WOULD BE A BIG HELP, IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH RPTS OF SIMILAR INSERT SITS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.