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Attributes | |
ACN | 275818 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Baron 55/Cochise |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 20 |
ASRS Report | 275818 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation other |
Narrative:
I was working in the TRACON all position combined on the mid shift. I had one aircraft depart dfw and reported climbing to 17000 ft. I let it go because I had nothing in the way. At dfw jets all assigned 10000 ft and the propellers 2000 ft for departure. Tower next launched a BE55 who reported climbing to 8000 ft. Another jet departed climbing to 17000 ft. Because of the potential for altitude separation errors, I asked the tower controller was he assigning 8000 and 17000 ft. He said yes, I told him knock it off and assign the right altitude. He then asked me did I want him to assign the sids. I said yes (he is supposed to). I don't know what he was giving as clrncs then. He then asked me can't I just assign an interim altitude. I said yes, if I knew about it, but said stick to your job and assign the correct procedures. He asked me to call him on another phone. I told him he could talk to the supervisor because I didn't have time for idiots. The supervisor told this person's supervisor won't do anything about the controller. The issue is uncoord control actions and the tower controller who is not a radar controller understanding the potential deadly input of his actions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIDSHIFT TWR CTLR NOT ADHERING TO PRESCRIBED RTE AND ALT DEP PROCS.
Narrative: I WAS WORKING IN THE TRACON ALL POS COMBINED ON THE MID SHIFT. I HAD ONE ACFT DEPART DFW AND RPTED CLBING TO 17000 FT. I LET IT GO BECAUSE I HAD NOTHING IN THE WAY. AT DFW JETS ALL ASSIGNED 10000 FT AND THE PROPS 2000 FT FOR DEP. TWR NEXT LAUNCHED A BE55 WHO RPTED CLBING TO 8000 FT. ANOTHER JET DEPARTED CLBING TO 17000 FT. BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR ALT SEPARATION ERRORS, I ASKED THE TWR CTLR WAS HE ASSIGNING 8000 AND 17000 FT. HE SAID YES, I TOLD HIM KNOCK IT OFF AND ASSIGN THE RIGHT ALT. HE THEN ASKED ME DID I WANT HIM TO ASSIGN THE SIDS. I SAID YES (HE IS SUPPOSED TO). I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS GIVING AS CLRNCS THEN. HE THEN ASKED ME CAN'T I JUST ASSIGN AN INTERIM ALT. I SAID YES, IF I KNEW ABOUT IT, BUT SAID STICK TO YOUR JOB AND ASSIGN THE CORRECT PROCS. HE ASKED ME TO CALL HIM ON ANOTHER PHONE. I TOLD HIM HE COULD TALK TO THE SUPVR BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR IDIOTS. THE SUPVR TOLD THIS PERSON'S SUPVR WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE CTLR. THE ISSUE IS UNCOORD CTL ACTIONS AND THE TWR CTLR WHO IS NOT A RADAR CTLR UNDERSTANDING THE POTENTIAL DEADLY INPUT OF HIS ACTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.