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Attributes | |
ACN | 276137 |
Time | |
Date | 199407 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bdr |
State Reference | CT |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 20450 flight time type : 2860 |
ASRS Report | 276137 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 276146 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical conflict : nmac other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Scheduled departure time from bdr was XX20 am. Tower not due to open until XX30. Requested ATC clearance from bdr FSS on 122.2. They said call back when we were ready to depart. They gave us the WX, as ATIS was not in operation. With winds reported 300 degrees at 5 KTS we decided to depart on runway 24 as this was the shortest taxi and departure direction would approximately our flight direction. At XX20 we pulled off the gate, the first officer contacted FSS and requested our clearance. FSS said, stand by, we might have to wait for tower to open for our release. We proceeded to taxi to runway 24. We taxied on taxiway a to hold short of runway 11/29. At this point we did our taxi and pre takeoff checks and advised FSS where we were and were standing by. At about XX25 FSS gave us our clearance with a void if not off time of XX30. As the first officer read back the clearance, I visually checked runway 11/29 for traffic, it was clear. To get to runway 24 from this point required a short taxi on runway 11/29, followed by a short back-taxi on runway 24. As I pulled onto runway 11 and stopped to check runway 24, a corp jet had just lifted off from runway 6, passing over and in front of us uncomfortably close. Several factors led us into this situation: tower closed, short window of time from departure time to tower opening, all runways at bdr require back- taxi if full length of runway to be used, necessity of using 2 radios for this operation, short clearance void time necessitated rushing. ATIS said use 120.9 (the tower frequency) to announce position and intentions while tower closed. I had FSS 122.2 on to listen to FSS. First officer had 122.2 and 120.9 both on. My first officer told me that someone had called announcing his intentions for runway 6. I observed a taxiing cessna and assumed this was the one he referred to. I felt rushed. The previous time at this airport, circumstances were somewhat the same, but by the time we got our clearance, tower opened and had us turn around and taxi to the other end of the airport, then we lost our departure slot due to void time expiring. To preclude this from happening again, I allowed crew communication to breakdown. The most obvious lesson here: when at an uncontrolled airport, absolutely no movement on a runway without both pilots monitoring the appropriate traffic frequency with no other communication radios on .supplemental information from acn 276146: we turned onto the runway and announced that we were going to be back-taxiing into position. Prior to entry runway 24, we stopped to check the runway and just as we stopped, a falcon jet went past us after departing runway 6. No more calls were heard other than a single departure call. Possible ways to correct problem: make sure that all pilots are listening to CTAF. If a scheduled aircraft departure is planned, perhaps ATC could open in time to accommodate scheduled service. If any irregularity is perceived, the pilot with the information makes every effort to clarify the situation and make sure that everyone is thinking along the same lines.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER ACFT BEGINS RWY ENTRY TO BACK-TAXI AS CORP JET DEPARTS. NMAC.
Narrative: SCHEDULED DEP TIME FROM BDR WAS XX20 AM. TWR NOT DUE TO OPEN UNTIL XX30. REQUESTED ATC CLRNC FROM BDR FSS ON 122.2. THEY SAID CALL BACK WHEN WE WERE READY TO DEPART. THEY GAVE US THE WX, AS ATIS WAS NOT IN OP. WITH WINDS RPTED 300 DEGS AT 5 KTS WE DECIDED TO DEPART ON RWY 24 AS THIS WAS THE SHORTEST TAXI AND DEP DIRECTION WOULD APPROX OUR FLT DIRECTION. AT XX20 WE PULLED OFF THE GATE, THE FO CONTACTED FSS AND REQUESTED OUR CLRNC. FSS SAID, STAND BY, WE MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT FOR TWR TO OPEN FOR OUR RELEASE. WE PROCEEDED TO TAXI TO RWY 24. WE TAXIED ON TXWY A TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 11/29. AT THIS POINT WE DID OUR TAXI AND PRE TKOF CHKS AND ADVISED FSS WHERE WE WERE AND WERE STANDING BY. AT ABOUT XX25 FSS GAVE US OUR CLRNC WITH A VOID IF NOT OFF TIME OF XX30. AS THE FO READ BACK THE CLRNC, I VISUALLY CHKED RWY 11/29 FOR TFC, IT WAS CLR. TO GET TO RWY 24 FROM THIS POINT REQUIRED A SHORT TAXI ON RWY 11/29, FOLLOWED BY A SHORT BACK-TAXI ON RWY 24. AS I PULLED ONTO RWY 11 AND STOPPED TO CHK RWY 24, A CORP JET HAD JUST LIFTED OFF FROM RWY 6, PASSING OVER AND IN FRONT OF US UNCOMFORTABLY CLOSE. SEVERAL FACTORS LED US INTO THIS SIT: TWR CLOSED, SHORT WINDOW OF TIME FROM DEP TIME TO TWR OPENING, ALL RWYS AT BDR REQUIRE BACK- TAXI IF FULL LENGTH OF RWY TO BE USED, NECESSITY OF USING 2 RADIOS FOR THIS OP, SHORT CLRNC VOID TIME NECESSITATED RUSHING. ATIS SAID USE 120.9 (THE TWR FREQ) TO ANNOUNCE POS AND INTENTIONS WHILE TWR CLOSED. I HAD FSS 122.2 ON TO LISTEN TO FSS. FO HAD 122.2 AND 120.9 BOTH ON. MY FO TOLD ME THAT SOMEONE HAD CALLED ANNOUNCING HIS INTENTIONS FOR RWY 6. I OBSERVED A TAXIING CESSNA AND ASSUMED THIS WAS THE ONE HE REFERRED TO. I FELT RUSHED. THE PREVIOUS TIME AT THIS ARPT, CIRCUMSTANCES WERE SOMEWHAT THE SAME, BUT BY THE TIME WE GOT OUR CLRNC, TWR OPENED AND HAD US TURN AROUND AND TAXI TO THE OTHER END OF THE ARPT, THEN WE LOST OUR DEP SLOT DUE TO VOID TIME EXPIRING. TO PRECLUDE THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, I ALLOWED CREW COM TO BREAKDOWN. THE MOST OBVIOUS LESSON HERE: WHEN AT AN UNCTLED ARPT, ABSOLUTELY NO MOVEMENT ON A RWY WITHOUT BOTH PLTS MONITORING THE APPROPRIATE TFC FREQ WITH NO OTHER COM RADIOS ON .SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 276146: WE TURNED ONTO THE RWY AND ANNOUNCED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE BACK-TAXIING INTO POS. PRIOR TO ENTRY RWY 24, WE STOPPED TO CHK THE RWY AND JUST AS WE STOPPED, A FALCON JET WENT PAST US AFTER DEPARTING RWY 6. NO MORE CALLS WERE HEARD OTHER THAN A SINGLE DEP CALL. POSSIBLE WAYS TO CORRECT PROB: MAKE SURE THAT ALL PLTS ARE LISTENING TO CTAF. IF A SCHEDULED ACFT DEP IS PLANNED, PERHAPS ATC COULD OPEN IN TIME TO ACCOMMODATE SCHEDULED SVC. IF ANY IRREGULARITY IS PERCEIVED, THE PLT WITH THE INFO MAKES EVERY EFFORT TO CLARIFY THE SIT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.