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Attributes | |
ACN | 277223 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : tnp |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : military pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 277223 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
We cleared into the bristol MOA by lax at 15000 ft MSL. Checking into the area the controling agency call sign 'chieftan,' told us to operation 15000 ft to FL220. After about 1 hour on station as the airborne refueler we climbed from 15000 ft to FL180 to remain clear of clouds as required by our mission. After being at FL180 for approximately 30 min we were informed by lax that we should not have left 15000 ft MSL without his permission. Once back on the ground we phoned lax and chiefton the controling agencies involved. We learned that even though the bristol MOA we were operating in was scheduled for our use and we had checked in with both agencies, lax had not activated the reserved block altitude 15000 ft to FL220 as chiefton had led us to believe by their initial radio call. This misunderstanding is hazardous because we were varying our altitude to maintain VMC without informing ZLA was not. Lax might have sent aircraft through the MOA resulting in a mid air. To correct this, lax should automatically block the entire MOA as soon as a participating military aircraft checks into the working area. Especially if all concerned know that the area and altitude block are reserved in advance and the air crews are led to believe they 'own' the MOA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIL REFUELER CLRED INTO MOA BUT BLOCK ALT NEVER COORD WITH CTR.
Narrative: WE CLRED INTO THE BRISTOL MOA BY LAX AT 15000 FT MSL. CHKING INTO THE AREA THE CTLING AGENCY CALL SIGN 'CHIEFTAN,' TOLD US TO OP 15000 FT TO FL220. AFTER ABOUT 1 HR ON STATION AS THE AIRBORNE REFUELER WE CLBED FROM 15000 FT TO FL180 TO REMAIN CLR OF CLOUDS AS REQUIRED BY OUR MISSION. AFTER BEING AT FL180 FOR APPROX 30 MIN WE WERE INFORMED BY LAX THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LEFT 15000 FT MSL WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION. ONCE BACK ON THE GND WE PHONED LAX AND CHIEFTON THE CTLING AGENCIES INVOLVED. WE LEARNED THAT EVEN THOUGH THE BRISTOL MOA WE WERE OPERATING IN WAS SCHEDULED FOR OUR USE AND WE HAD CHKED IN WITH BOTH AGENCIES, LAX HAD NOT ACTIVATED THE RESERVED BLOCK ALT 15000 FT TO FL220 AS CHIEFTON HAD LED US TO BELIEVE BY THEIR INITIAL RADIO CALL. THIS MISUNDERSTANDING IS HAZARDOUS BECAUSE WE WERE VARYING OUR ALT TO MAINTAIN VMC WITHOUT INFORMING ZLA WAS NOT. LAX MIGHT HAVE SENT ACFT THROUGH THE MOA RESULTING IN A MID AIR. TO CORRECT THIS, LAX SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY BLOCK THE ENTIRE MOA AS SOON AS A PARTICIPATING MIL ACFT CHKS INTO THE WORKING AREA. ESPECIALLY IF ALL CONCERNED KNOW THAT THE AREA AND ALT BLOCK ARE RESERVED IN ADVANCE AND THE AIR CREWS ARE LED TO BELIEVE THEY 'OWN' THE MOA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.