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Reporter feels lax visual separation between silumtaneous arrs to runway 25L and runway 25R are unsatisfactory.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 278035 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199407 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 1500 agl bound upper : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual approach : straight in arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 20000 |
| ASRS Report | 278035 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified cockpit |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While we did not have a near miss, making approachs to runway 25L in a B-757 wingtip to wingtip with a commuter aircraft on runway 25R is 1) unprofessional, 2) dangerous, 3) distracting, 4) worrisome, 5) eliminates TCASII protection. Lax approach does not have prm or 'any warning' equipment for transgressions on very narrow lateral separations. We have no training for formation lndgs yet we are expected perform.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR FEELS LAX VISUAL SEPARATION BTWN SILUMTANEOUS ARRS TO RWY 25L AND RWY 25R ARE UNSATISFACTORY.
Narrative: WHILE WE DID NOT HAVE A NEAR MISS, MAKING APCHS TO RWY 25L IN A B-757 WINGTIP TO WINGTIP WITH A COMMUTER ACFT ON RWY 25R IS 1) UNPROFESSIONAL, 2) DANGEROUS, 3) DISTRACTING, 4) WORRISOME, 5) ELIMINATES TCASII PROTECTION. LAX APCH DOES NOT HAVE PRM OR 'ANY WARNING' EQUIP FOR TRANSGRESSIONS ON VERY NARROW LATERAL SEPARATIONS. WE HAVE NO TRAINING FOR FORMATION LNDGS YET WE ARE EXPECTED PERFORM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.